My unpopular opinion is that AI causes more harm than good to the majority of average users training by forcing a focus on numbers and reliance on a computer to make decisions rather than really listening to their body. In fact id go as far to say that, now, I am a believer that RPE and HR is as important as power at the time of training.
And a second…..many amateur athletes without good genetics and pro support are tougher than pro riders, whatever their level. Training hard around life demands (ie not getting to laze on the sofa inbetween training sessions) and still being back of the pack/still pushing up hill/still getting off on technical descents takes huge confidence, mental toughness and resilience. A couple of weeks ago I rode with someone who pushed themselves harder than I have ever seen anyone do just to finish a day out on the bike. It was so impressive. We do not value these riders enough. They should be celebrated in their efforts.
I mean the same basic concept applies to so many other things. Progression levels, Zwift badges, Strava (kudos, segments, ride distance or speed). A lot of people here like to bang on the ‘Increase your volume’ drum. But know a couple riders who will put in a few 20-25 hour weeks in a row and then post that they are sick or burnt out and take a few weeks. Then it’s rinse and repeat. One of them has admitted that they like doing a ton more volume than other people on strava and trying to show off with a bunch of centuries every year. But then they’ll post about how they are frustrated they are not doing better in races
I realise I need to tap the thread title but guessing you weren’t here for the SSBHV years? Many many people followed the plans and burnt out, fatigue was a bigger issue with the cookie cutter plans than with the ML assisting. The new solutions are much better at avoiding this, you are right but people don’t listen to their own bodies, many have been taken by ‘no pain no gain’ attitudes when it comes to exercise.
I don’t think that is fair. You listen to Nate talk about it he is legitimately excited about. I think it was more that they were blinded to how some people would react.
I think there are two attributes of the model that are in conflict but balance each other out.
Yes, you can game the system and change ratings and mark rides easier than they actually are, eventually either you will fail a workout or the system will learn your new scale and adjust accordingly Like the guy who has a 3 level system of easy, moderate, and fail
if you schedule a ride harder than the system likes it knocks down your predicted FTP.
I think at some point the gaming will no longer be effective and what will remain is that the system will lower your FTP if you try to do too much and that is beneficial.
That isn’t what happens if you rate a workout easy. If you rate it easier than the model expects then the next workout is harder.
The only example I saw of what you are talking about was someone trying to game the system and was doing back to back workouts. In that case they had a history of failing workouts. So the system trying to give them easier workouts made sense.
The workout picker for anyone who isn’t trying to mess with it has been solid. The AI FTP is noisy but that is different than what you are claiming.
Post your examples of you rating Threshold or similar workouts easy and getting lower workouts as a result.
It rewarded you with a 6.2 rating for that workout vs the 5.0 that the workout was initially rated. Then gave you a harder workout then that 5.0 next as it gave you a 5.5.
Could you share your training the weeks before and after the 5.5?
I definitely need the light pointed at the street, but I do like the idea of a backwards beam that points at the bike (not blinding the rider). It wouldn’t hurt to also have a different colored blinker on the downtube or something.
I’ve looked at under bike lighting, get those Fast and the Furious vibes Do currently have 2 rears and can use one to glow up the road around the bike, also less blinding for other riders (it’s a very busy commuter route).
I just recently switched from a very old OG Neo to a KICKR V6 and while I am happy with my purchase, one of the things I miss most is that the Neo had a light that lit the area below me with different colors based on intensity level. When you look down and see red, you know you’re about to be suffering!
Do you any Hue lights? Luckily for my partner, our trainer only has 1 Bluetooth channel, else they’d probably be getting quite annoyed with the living room light changes
but guessing you weren’t here for the SSBHV years? Many many people followed the plans and burnt out, fatigue was a bigger issue with the cookie cutter plans than with the ML assisting. The new solutions are much better at avoiding this, you are right but people don’t listen to their own bodies, many have been taken by ‘no pain no gain’ attitudes when it comes to exercise.
Do currently have 2 rears and can use one to glow up the road around the bike, also less blinding for other riders (it’s a very busy commuter route).