Tubeless Tires: the call-a-friend solution to flats?

The sealant will work for many, many small punctures that’d cause a flat on tubed tyres.

If you do get a flat with tubeless - Get some tyre plugs, fix even the largest holes in a few seconds.

If you’re taking off a set of tubeless tyres AT ALL before they end of their wear life, you’re doing it wrong. I’d only do it on the roadside if I had a sidewall tear that might need booting from the inside & a tube. But that’s incredibly rare.

FWIW I don’t have an issue removing tubeless tyres from my rims anyway.

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Yeah i don’t see what the issue is: Tubeless are brilliant in every way. Just carry CO2 and a Dynaplug and you’re good to go.

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There’s certainly a learning curve involved and it’s definitely less convenient until you deal with enough issues that you’re comfortably past that point. I don’t know anyone who has turned back once they got up to speed though. The ones most likely to balk and go back to tubes IME are the riders who have been changing tubed flats for dozens of years and can do it without thinking, have dealt with every possible permutation of a tubed mishap, etc. but for whom tubeless is a totally new set of considerations. I think if you took a brand new rider out and trained them on roadside tubeless repair from day 1, they would probably find it easier than learning roadside tube replacement from day 1.

The OG worm-style plugs can require a bit of technique during insertion to make sure they can handle road pressures (which should pretty much be sub-80psi on all road tubeless setups anyway). First time I encountered that was the only time I would have needed to resort to a tube (thankfully OH was 10 mins away and already in the car at that point so I phoned for rescue).

Stan’s Dart was a step up and seemed like a really innovative solution, but I had some issues with those too and it often required a few stops to add air before they held. And I never trusted them enough to go back out on a subsequent ride without removing the plug and patching the tire instead. I suspect their proprietary chemical reaction thing only works with their own brand sealant and that there’s some kind of chemical treatment on the plugs themselves which loses potency after carrying them around in a saddle bag for months.

Once I stopped avoiding Dynaplug due to cost and finally ponied up I’ve never had an issue since. The barbs on those plugs hold so much better than anything else that they’re really not even in the same league as the competition, especially at road pressures. At least for the kind of tricky punctures that might prompt some to fit a tube.

I’ve now installed and removed enough tight tubeless tires that I’m not concerned about being able to get them on and off at the roadside, but I think of it very much as a last resort in a ‘ride over, get to a train station / meeting point / etc.’ kind of situation. I must be at something like 20,000mi and 5 years of road and gravel riding without needing a tube now, which I feel is enough to make even a fairly long call-a-friend pickup acceptably rare. Before fitting a tube I think I’d even try to nurse a barely-holding plug at less than half my normal riding pressure to get to a bike shop or train station or something, but I haven’t even had to do that.

A couple years ago I switched my spare tubes to Tubolitos to save space, but I’ve still never fitted one. (Pro Tip: unless your spare tubes get used often you should store them in an old sock or something so they don’t get holes abraded into them while rattling around in a saddle bag. And as someone else said above, there’s no point carrying a tube unless you also carry a tire boot - if you don’t need a boot then you don’t need a tube). For a recent gravel ultra I carried a standard Tubolito, an ultralight Tubolito, and the Tubolito patch kit. All items are still in their protective socks.

I do know a few road riders who mostly just do club runs and drop rides which keep them within a couple dozen miles of home and so don’t carry anything other than a CO2 and a Dynaplug, and I don’t even really see them having to call for help often enough to cause domestic unrest. I do hope they carry a few more spares than that for a big day out though!

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I wish they were smaller but once I managed to plug the hole they work really well even with the sealant I use (no Stan’s)

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I’m riding tubeless on hookless rims, which means no inner tubes at all. It already saved me 4 punctures that I realized when got home (sealant doing its jobs and leaking a bit on the puncture).

My GP5000 is going to be retire soon, full of small damages, lots of small points where I can see one droplet of sealant and it still keep the pressure, I’m impressed.

As we’re going toward winter, I had already bought a new GP5000 STR, but now I’m seriously thinking in going with a Pirelli Cinturato VELO for this autun and next spring to then flip for the GP5000 next summer. (Cinturato VELO is one of the recommended by Giant for my wheels due to be hookless).

How did you come up with that? You can 100% put a tube in a hookless rim. The tire needs to be tubeless ready, but doesn’t need to actually be set up tubeless.

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FYI the restriction is just that you have to use tubeless tires, not that you have to run tubeless. So you can use tubes but obviously it would be a bit counterproductive to use tubes in a tubeless tire. Bad for performance, good for being able to get home in an emergency.

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@Cory.Rood @alexfthenakis you guys are right, I might’ve misunderstood the concept somehow… Thanks

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Yeah. I had a friend in this situation. For whatever reason the wheel tire combo she had was a nightmare to install and remove. LBS was able to get it installed but it wasn’t easy. She had a flat and sure enough couldn’t get the tire off. That was the last time she used that tire

I haven’t had a single flat in 5 years since going tubeless (knock on carbon).

People that can’t get tires on/off just don’t have the right techniques lined up and not enough practice. You really have to stretch the tire around the rim and get it all the way into the center channel.

I’ve actually only used the dreaded GP5000TLs so far and put every single one on by hand (using work gloves). Taking it off and putting it back on the second time is much easier as they stretch after a while.

I’ve prepared with bacon strips, dynaplugs, plus a spare tube if all else fails. Practicing the techniques helps enormously. I learned a lot on my gravel bike but as I said, never had to do a road repair in 5 years. I have helped some friends who were the call home types.

I think you are just asking for trouble. I’ve seen tires that just won’t hold air without sealant sloshing around. They slow leak.

I go overboard on sealant. It always dries up to nothing (weight wise). I’ll put 60ml of Orange Seal to start with and top up with 40ml. It seems to dry out in about a month or two. It also depends on your climate.

If you go light on sealant and then half of it is dried up, you might only have 10-20ml in there and that may not be enough to find the hole in a tire. The whole point of tubeless is to not get flats. Weight weenies should just stick with latex or other light tubes and lighter tires IMO.

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There’s no guarantees with anything…you can flat a second tube…or pinch it when installing, and you’re screwed. You can play what ifs all day long…but at the end of the day, the only thing that really matters is the % likelyhood you end up in an unrideable situation.

I believe…mostly through experience, that that percentage is significantly lower with tubeless, EVEN IF you dont bother with a spare tube, and just bring plugs.

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This is the heart of it really. After 20 years on tubes most riders know this intuitively based on experience and they carry spares which are appropriate to their own individual history of issues (and proportionate to the level of ask involved in phoning for rescue). Once we’ve all spent 20 years on tubeless we’ll be in the same spot, but for now it’s still comparatively new to even the most seasoned tubeless riders.

I think that’s what I’m getting at when I talk about learning curve in my overly-verbose post above.

There must be a cycling meme in it somewhere. Or a Velominati rule. Something along the lines of “The amount of Spares carried should be directly proportional to the likelihood of ending up in an Unrideable situation and inversely proportional to one’s spouse’s Willingness to pick them up in the car: S=U/W.”

A stilted start. I’m sure someone cleverer than me can improve on that!

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If your tires are so tight you can’t practically remove/reseat them to just put a tube in in 5 minutes then keep riding… then ideally you’d get different tires that fit your rim better as that’s kind of a problem. If that’s not an option, then use a plug kit and carry a tiny bottle of sealant then keep riding in 5 minutes.

If your tires fit your rims better, just throw in a tube and keep riding.

Well that is part of the problem…the key words being “practically remove”. Road tubeless are often a PITA / impossible to unseat on the road. I have seen guys with extensive experience struggle with them and give up on the road.

If you can’t remove it, you can’t get a tube in there.

Note that I currently ride road tubeless the majority of the time…but I am resigned to knowing that I may need to call the family Uber / actual Uber if necessary.

For my travel bike (CAAD13 with 32mm Gravel King slicks), I run tubes so I don’t get stuck somewhere.

Exactly… so for those riders, you just put a plug in, top up sealant if needed, and start riding again in 5 minutes.

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Number of tubes carried should be proportional to the level of fear of getting divorced.

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I’ve had that tire that was on for so long that it was impossible to get off. I think being prepared is what gets you a pass when you need to call for a rescue. If you’re calling every time something goes wrong you should evaluate your gear choice.

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Right. But, what if when tubeless, without carrying a tube, you need to make the call less often than when running tubes with a spare.

You “prepared” when mounting your tires and putting sealant in.

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Depends on the hole…I have seen some that could not be plugged.

I think you would earn or keep more karma having brought some additional way to get yourself out of the situation. Being relatable here helps. Saying that you put in sealant and this shouldn’t have happened is less relatable than saying I put a tube in and tried to get home. People generally know what tubes are.