Not that it would guide my buying decision but if you’re between two bikes and one will result in no overlap i’d let it be a deciding factor. My newer frame has it where my older did not and its scared the **** out of me on smaller hairpin turns or even rolling slow trying to navigate through an area with a lot of cars/planters/garbage cans/etc.
Learning to do those maneuvers with cranks at 6 and 12 vs 3 and 9 has been a bit of mental gymnastics.
I’m having the same problem. I went to try the Madone… and that happens. I’m not sure about the Ultimate, but I think it also happens with the Aeroad. I think it doesn’t happen with the Scott Foil. I think I’m going to buy that one.
I have lots of toe overlap as I ride a teenytiny bike with flat pedals (which in my natural riding position sits under the arch and therefore I have much more toe in front than if I was clipped in). Its ok with flats as, if I can remember, I can shuffle my foot back to create the room. Except if I am riding the gravel bike down a steep technical descent, and then I’ve got to make the choice whether to feel less secure on the pedals or risk overlap on a tight turn.
And this is with the extra small frame having a slacker head angle to give a little more room than the bigger sizes.
I have got less worried about it as time goes on with the bike though, it is becoming automatic to shuffle my foot back on a turn and I don’t panic if my toe does catch now because I know I can deal with it.
I absolutely would not cope with toe overlap if I was riding clipless though, not a chance. My solution in that case would be to not ride the gravel bike
I had the 5 speed version with thumb shifter. It was the perfect bike for playing “bike tag”, a somewhat dangerous game we used to play. I still remember bringing that bike home and riding it in circles inside the garage because it was a rainy day (silly parents wouldn’t let me roll in the rain).
One of my cousins had one of these. One time when trying to make a getaway (as kids do) I became off-balance & almost crashed it because when trying to throw my leg over the seat to get on it, my shin bashed into its extra-long hoop at the back of the seat.