Thresh w Bursts - Wasting intensity points? Or great adaptations?

@Gnome thanks, appreciate the heads up, but I don’t listen to podcasts.

I don’t enjoy listening to 45 - 60 mins of slow paced chit chat and “joking around”, with tons of dead air, to get a total amount of solid info that could be distilled down to something you could read in bullet points in 2 - 5 mins. Hard pass. IDC if it’s a “really dense” episode, OK, I get it, maybe it would take 10 mins to read. I’ll read it. We all have our preferences, many love podcasts, no judgement, but I’d rather [fill in as you see fit].

I wouldn’t suffer through a 60 min podcast once a week even if you could guarantee me a 3% bump in FTP month over month for the next year. They are torture. [All of them. No judgement on TR’s in particular]. :smiley:

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not the TR podcast

also was not replying to you

@Gnome my apologies! Your comment isn’t tagged as a reply to anyone, and I am OP, so I thought you were replying to me! :slight_smile:

I think it’s worth considering that “training” encompasses more than physical adaptations. Even if we assume there’s no physiological benefit to these bursts, riding along at close to threshold, sprinting out of the saddle, and settling back in at threshold can be very difficult mentally. So just exposing yourself to it so you know you actually will recover from the sprint sitting at 97% threshold has benefits.

The alternative you suggest might ALSO have benefit. I know for my riding a sudden out of the saddle effort is pretty common.


Ditto! The psych side sure seems worthwhile AFAIC, even if the physio side is neutral.

Body AND Mind are trainable elements here and it seems we often neglect to consider that mental aspect. At times, I think my “failures” are usually mental ones vs physical ones. Working on that mental toughness side via training specificity (via related workouts and/or group rides) aimed at the target events seems like a solid goal.


I’m interested in @plaursen opinion on these mixed workouts. Personally, I’m a bit dubious of the performance aspect of such training, but see their benefit of adding some variety, and also the ability in events to change intensity.
I mention Paul Laursen as his specific expertise is high intensity research.

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These sessions are generally fine. But I’d recommend to do the endurance riding first. In fact I’ll have Tadej do something like this on a long climb.

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@DrSanMillan any way to verify you are who your handle says you are?

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There’s considerable reason to believe that’s not the real Dr San Millan starting with the fact that he’s only spent 4 minutes reading on the forum despite joining in May and having sent 3 responses. (my guess is that whoever is behind that account is trying to troll not_Coggan)

I will say that even with my limited moderator tool, that the DSM account does indeed look suspicious.

ETA: I’ve forward my DSM review along to TR reps so they can check it out as they see fit.


Thanks for your question. Mixed workouts that include bursts of high intensity within threshold training can indeed be beneficial, both in terms of performance and variety.
From a performance perspective, these workouts can help to improve the ability to sustain high-intensity efforts for longer periods. This is particularly beneficial for athletes participating in sports that require bursts of high-intensity efforts, such as cycling, running, or team sports.
In terms of variety, these workouts can help to break the monotony of prolonged training and keep athletes engaged and motivated. They can also help to engage different energy systems and muscle groups, leading to a more balanced and comprehensive training effect.
In terms of determining the intensity and duration of the bursts within these workouts, it should be individualized based on the athlete’s capabilities. The intensity and duration of the bursts can be determined by external parameters such as power output or movement, or internal parameters such as heart rate during exercise.
Last, it’s worth noting that these workouts can indeed be mentally challenging, and overcoming these challenges can contribute to improved mental toughness.
I hope this helps.
Best regards,
Paul Laursen


:rofl: You mean not_Tadej?

So, if I change my username to EddyMerckx or GregLemond I’ll be suspect and reported to TR staff as suspicious? And then I’ll have to change my name to Not_?

I can’t believe that anyone would think that would be the real ISM.

TR should likely reply, but I will add my $0.02 quickly.

We have legit training heavy weights (Kolie Moore, Dr. Coggan, Paul Laursen and others) present here. They have whatever version for their forum names and there is no basic rule against it. Point being that it’s not unheard of to have some key figures posting around here.

What I find disingenuous in the case above is a general forum member making another forum account, with a name intentionally chosen to imply they are one of those heavy weights or similar. Then they post fake info via that faux user account to appear as that person (Tadej reference and such) seems quite sketchy to me.

Could be someone just trying to have fun and joke around, but it strikes me as questionable at the very least. So I reported it and TR is welcome to act on it or ignore it as they see fit.


Is Coggan real though?

Yes, from all I have seen… real deal.

could you provide some link?

I don’t have one handy. But he has made direct answers to the “Are you really him?” questions that can be found. Normally I’d search and link, but short on time for that right now.

See, I don’t find it disingenuous at all because I never for a second believed that it was ISM. I see it as a performance art. But if the intention of the account is to antagonize notCoggan, then it’s a problem.

TR should have a policy or some verification if it is their intention to control user names.

  • Bingo, that is what I took it as, when you look at the few replies posted.
  • I am not sure this is about “controlling names” as much as having honest discussion here between members.

  • Fake names, implying/pretending to be someone else (especially if there is some ulterior motive at play) seem worthy of review at the least. There are many non-sense names or ones we simply don’t know the background, and that’s fine. This one seems to be anything but random or genuine from the bit I saw, so figured it was worth a mention. If I am wrong, I will admit such and adjust in the future.

  • The whole verification aspect is a can of worms that I mentioned above.