I had been using Standard Mode with my Wahoo Kickr as I don’t care for ERG mode. Now, that option has disappeared and the only options are resistance and ERG. Where did Standard go? If Standard is gone forever, what is the difference between it and Resistance? Thanks!

I saw this too. Kinda pissed about it. Opened a ticket.

Re: resistance. It’s like an old scool trainer with a knob. you just crank the percentage. It sucks.

[image] Mollewogg: If Standard is gone forever, what is the difference between it and Resistance? Standard is a non-linear power curve like fluid trainer. Resistance is linear like a mag. Trainer Modes

Can you post the response to your ticket here?

Response** Thanks for getting back in touch with us! Unfortunately, Standard Mode is no longer available over the ANT+ connection method. In order to use Standard Mode on the KICKR, you’ll need to connect the unit via Bluetooth. The reason for this change is due to the release of something called “ANT+ FE-C”. ANT+ FE-C is the communication protocol that has become a standard protocol for all smart trainers in the industry. Having industry standards like FE-C allows for trainers and applications to work more seamlessly together, but as you’ve come to find out, the FE-C connection method doesn’t include Standard Mode as a mode option. In an effort to make sure we’re using the most up-to-date connection method, we’re now using the ANT+ FE-C standard pairing method. More background information on this: We’ve been using what we call the “legacy” ANT+ connection method for the KICKR up until a recent update. This is why you’ve had Standard Mode up until this update. Again, we want to use the latest and greatest when it comes to connectivity, so we’re using the ANT+ FE-C connection moving forward. You are still able to use Resistance Mode over ANT+, which is comparable to Standard Mode with some exceptions, but in order to get back on Standard you’re going to need to connect via Bluetooth. How to get connected via Bluetooth on Windows: You’ll need an extra adapter to connect the KICKR over Bluetooth. Although many newer Windows machines have built-in Bluetooth, TrainerRoad requires this specific adapter to connect with Bluetooth devices. I know it’s a bummer to have to pick up the extra adapter to get connected, especially for this functionality that you had previously. I’m really sorry for the extra hassle around this. :frowning: Best, Customer Support Lead

Thanks for hopping in and letting everyone know the update @FargoCharlie! Just to reiterate, Windows users will need the BLED112 USB stick in order to connect the KICKR via Bluetooth to get Standard Mode. Click on the following link to pick one up: BLED112 USB stick If anyone else runs into any other issues around this, or otherwise, please don’t hesitate to get in touch with us at support@trainerroad.com. We’ll be happy to help out. :slight_smile: Nick

So I contemplated this answer a little more after this response. It’s not a great answer. You want us to buy a one off Bluetooth dongle to recover a feature that was just ghosted with no communication. Why a special dongle? The only answer I can keep coming back to on that one is that its a development dongle which means this whole answer is a workaround that could be deprecated at any time. I gave the alternative, either ERG or resistance an honest effort yesterday on Striped +1. It sucked. The ERG lags enough that the intervals are cut short. If you lose even 10rpm on cadence you death spiral and have to zero before continuing. Resistance mode is a joke. It is only good for zeroing out the erg. Chewing on that effort, and the situation I came up with a better solution. Install an old version of the code, pre March 1stish. As long as you don’t click the update after the initial install, guess what feature is back and works perfectly fine? STANDARD MODE. Honestly, I am willing to do a 10s install every morning with old code, versus dealing with just ERG/resistance or buying a development dongle. If I find the time, I’ll probably find a way to disable the auto updates over all. If you look through the logs you either cannot find any value in the notes or it is not relative to the general audience. Summary No dongle purchased, just a bs troubleshooting session for something that blindsided us. I hope this helps people that are watching this thread. TR really needs to change their devops cycle in the following ways: communicate pre change, especially in the off season where people are using potentially every current feature. It’s not awesome to alter someones training in the midst of off season training. Thats 101 shit in devops, don;t affect prod during critical prod cycles. TR has all this data about what the users are using (trainer types) for example. Is there no way to solicit that crowd to crowd test the potentially experience altering changes? Wahoo Kickr is a major brand that a lot of serious athletes use. Messing with the fundamental interfacing of that tool and your app should be white gloved. It’s not some Amazon or bkool weird one off hardware. Slap whoever did this. Fix your bluetooth stack. Calling for a special dongle that only one vendor sells is suspect. What is so special about power, hr, and cadence data that requires this?Zwift handles all that data just fine. Just sayin…

As i understand, is not that TR had taken Standard Mode, the problem is that the protocol “ANT+ FE-C” does not suport it anymore. Using a old TR version is making you work with a old version of of ANT that soppurts the feature. Maybe you dont even need the dongle, if you use a windows PC it could be built-in (or not), but in MACs, iphones or android you for sure have it. The dongle is only to give to your device the ability to connect with your trainer via Bluethoot (not “ANT+ FE-C”)

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