I thought the same also. I only saw that comment on specialized YouTube channel which surprised me.
Anyway I got this saddle mostly for my gravel / trainer bike, with the expectation of pulling it off and putting it on my mtb for longer all day events.
Having owned all three, I’d say the Mirror is like the Goldilocks between the regular Power and Arc. The Power is flat and wide. The Arc definitely has more sloping down of the wings. The Mirror in my experience has more sloping than the normal Power, and is close to but not as dramatic as the Arc. I think it’s closer to the Arc than the normal Power, but does feel a little flatter. Most comfortable of the three.
Interesting. I have the Romin Mirror and Power Mirror after having tried the Power Arc and liking the fit. I do think the Mirrors are the best saddles I’ve tried.
The Power Mirror still gives me a little bit of upper hamstring rub. It’s not as bad as the regular Power though and it’s livable so far. I also have more numbness issues with the Power Mirror vs. the Romin Mirror. It takes some trial and error to get the nose set correctly on the Power so that I don’t get numbness, but also don’t start sliding forward and putting too much pressure on my hands, but once I find the right position, it’s mostly a non-issue, but I’ve never experienced not feeling the nose on my junk.
The Romin Mirror I liked as I don’t have any numbness issues and the upper hamstring rub is gone. I thought it would be my Golidlocks saddle. However, I feel much more stable on the Power Mirror. Outside, I felt okay on the Romin Mirror, but once I hopped on the trainer, I couldn’t stand it for very long. I put the Power back on and felt the immediate difference in stability. I might be riding too far forward on the Mirror, perhaps, but appreciate the wider base that the Power gives me and it makes the trainer and long rides more tolerable.
Really appreciate folks sharing their experience here. I had serious rub from the normal Power, and even a bit from the Arc, so I always thought that if I get a mirror, it will be the Romin.
These posts are really informative, but they also remind me that every person is different and one man’s throne is another man’s bed of nails. I’m thankful the mirror saddles have a 30 day return policy. Has anyone ever had a problem getting a refund after a few weeks of use and putting many hours into the saddle?
I put about 3 weeks on the Power Arc before deciding to return it and was refunded by Specialized with no issues. I actually also bought a wider Power Arc I returned unused after also buying the Power Mirror from their website without issue as well.
I bought my Romin from a different website since it was out of stock on the Specialized website and wish I’d waited. The 30-day trial policy is one reason I buy off of Specialized’s website. The returns have been easy and stress free.
No upper hamstring rub, no numbness, and reduced sit bone pain is exactly what I hope for with the Romin mirror.
I was a little surprised I didn’t feel more locked into it on the trainer but I probably just need more time to figure it out (I am coming from a Bontrager aeolus)
I have used / use the Sq lab saddles also and they are good. However they brutalize mynsitbonrs after awhile.
I had the same experience with the SQ Labs 612 Active. Minimal padding on those just doesn’t work for me for longer distances. I have mine for sale.
The lack of feeling locked into the Romin Mirror is what had me put back on the Power Mirror. I might just need to give it more time and another shot, but once I get the position on the Power nailed, I’m hesitant to move it as I find it difficult to replicate. The Power for me is a one-position saddle. On that spot it’s great but there’s not much latitude.
Anyone gone to a Specialized shop to try / be fit to a power saddle? I’m currently trying a Selle Italia Model X Green ($50USD) but am not convinced yet. $450 is awfully expensive for a saddle.
Read the thread and can relate to most experiences with respect to the Power saddle: I like it, but it is a one position saddle. On long enough rides, especially trainer rides, it starts getting sore. Arc might be a multi-position capable saddle, but I’ve pulled the trigger on a mirror… as others have said, it’s one of three contact points, and the softer nose is big for me as I ride quite a bit in races on the rivet, and am known for four hour trainer rides. A better saddle will be very beneficial, so will try this for the 30 day period and we will see how it goes!
I’d love to hear your feedback after using it. I’m like you, I prefer to ride on the nose, but end up sore over time. The problem I had with the original power was twofold, it rubbed my bibs, and it gave me sore spots just in front of my sitbones. Those things lead me to believe the Romin is a better fit, but there are complaints about it above too. Hard decision. I’m currently on a Selle SMP with the ugly beak and it solved the rub and sore spots, but anything longer than 2 hours and I want to get out of the saddle every 4 or 5 minutes on the trainer.
Just installed a 155mm Power Mirror. sit bone width is 131 so this is what Specialized recommended.
It was hard to tell where the sit bones were positioned on a simple 15 mile ride simply because the seat cushioned them so well.
The seat cover held me in place very well. Maybe too well as it does not encourage movement on the seat.
Little peroneal feeling. Since you do contact the seat with that area you can feel it, but no pain. A longer ride might alter the result as might a different seat tilt.
No digging into my upper thigh which the regular Power Expert did.
All in all it looks quite promising. We will see after 60 miles or so.
I know this is a Power Mirror thread, but I’ll throw in my 2 week experience with the Romin Mirror.
I bought it after reading all of your comments, so I want to start by thanking everyone for sharing!!
Background: I had committed to doing World Wide Disaster Day, so I decided to make the jump and try not to be in absolute pain from the last hour or two. I bought the Romin because I’ve had rub where my butt and leg come together that eventually developed a bump under my skin when using normal Power and Arc saddles. I got some relief moving to an SMP Avant saddle, but after 90 mins or so, I found myself standing every 5 minutes or less. I’ve had sit bone issues for 20 years, so I don’t expect a miracle, but I’m always looking for something better.
Usage: when I first set it up, I went with the widest part of the saddle and the height from the BB being equal to the previous one (the eagle beak SMP). This didn’t work well, so I slowly inched it forward and shifted height a few mm at a time, finally finding a position I like with my sitbones actually to the rear of the widest part of the saddle. I also adjusted my cleats back a bit. I got through Disaster, and have done four 90-120 minute rides on it since (all on the trainer). I’ve gone from needing to stand every 8-10 mins early and 4-5 minutes late in rides to more like 15 early and 10 late. Is it perfect? Does it “disappear beneath me”? No, and no. Is it better and am I keeping it? Yes!
One note - the nose is narrow enough that I could feel my thighs rubbing on the seatpost bolts before I moved the saddle forward a bit. If you keep your saddle way to the back, the Romin might not be for you or you may need a setback post.
I’ve done one two hour trainer ride and one two hour ride outdoors. Thoughts:
Definitely feels different and much less saddle pressure. No numbness at all.
I am more acutely aware of the pressure on my hands… not sure if the saddle change made me put more pressure or just that since I don’t feel anything on the butt I notice the hands more.
I am less aware of where I am on the saddle. I was up on the nose a bit outside today and wasn’t really aware of it. Just so little pressure on the back… that will be an adjustment.
That said, the Power was an ass hatchet if I rode on the nose at all, so that’s an improvement. I can definitely be comfortable in multiple positions on the Mirror.
overall I think the arc shape is better for me. Whether or not the mirror makes a tremendous difference, I don’t know since I’m coming from Power (non Arc).
Mirror definitely makes it feel squishy… I didn’t notice the bumps nearly as much, except on my hands.
I’ve done up to four hours on the trainer on the Power saddle, so the jury is out as to how much of an upgrade this is, IMO. I think the saddle itself is more comfortable… not sure about my overall comfort just yet. Need more road time with it.
I have had to experiment a lot with saddle tilt, and have ended up running all my Mirror Power saddles (got 3 on different bikes) with the rails straight. This makes the saddle look like its gonna throw me off the front, but with the saddle flex, it makes (for me) an perfect tilt when actually riding on it.
Its almost as the saddle isn’t too fussy with tilt since the sponginess of the saddle adjusts.
But to keep pressure off the balls and whatnot, I need to tilt it so that the rails are straight.
Worth trying if you are having issues with tilt and pressure
I went for the Power Mirror two weeks ago. Like @Mark_Speas the Specialized dealer also recommended a 155mm saddle for me. (Does that mean my a$$ is big?) My previous saddles were all 143mm, so I’m not sure how much of the comfort improvement is due to having a saddle with the correct width.
I have 15+ hours on it thus far, all indoors, including Disaster -1 (3:20) and a 2:30 endurance ride this morning. Interestingly I find the steady state endurance rides more demanding on my rear that interval workouts, probably because during intervals there is less pressure on the saddle even when seated. Anyway, I still get out of the saddle to adjust occasionally but not nearly as I often as I used to.
Is it worth the price? Tough question to answer. It’s definitely the fourth most expensive bike component I have behind the frame, wheels, and pedal power meters. On the other hand it is one of three contact points to the bike. If I ever get another bike (e.g. gravel) I’ll probably go with a less expensive version of the Power saddle, in case I crash.
I checked out the Antares R1 Adaptive and it’s very firm. Definitely feels like a race saddle. Given the comments on the Mirror saddles I’d guess the Fizik offering is quite different.