Probably depends on the type of event and how you determine the “average”. At the local serious road race there’s probably a bit of a minimum level of entry. However at a lot of the Gravel, Gran Fondo, XCM races that are very popular (possibly make up a much larger segment of amateur racing these days) and still competitive, the average is probably pretty close to 3.
Just gut feel.
I don’t force myself to eat low protein nor do I count my macros. In many sports, there is this notion of „proteins is sports food“ and while they of course have their place, I have really strived with focusing on carbs. Especially also carbs AFTER hard sessions.
Mixed and missing sources without properly establishing relations to the data.
“only 3% of americans consume inadequate amounts of protein” after “1.7-1.8g/kg for endurance athletes”.
estimated average requirements are 0.8-0.9g/kg, which is basically at the threshold for malnutrition in that area before taking into account bioavailability of protein in what’s consumed and the detrimental effect of age.
Many regular people start their day off with Starbucks, have a carb/fat snack through the day and chips and beer in the evening. A broadly generalized “keep your protein intake low” aimed at someone who didn’t even break down their diet in this thread is likely to be detrimental. Especially someone relatively new to sports (couldn’t ride 10 miles 8 months ago)
The amount of protein you should be eating to build performance may sound low, but even at 62kg it comes out to more than 100g per day. You’re unlikely to accidentally eat that. Also see Protein for Cyclists, VO2Max, Training Stress and More – Ask a Cycling Coach 349 - YouTube TR podcast on the topic.
MVDP getting dropped on the climb today reminds me that watts/kg isn’t everything in bike racing.
Isn’t it the opposite? He is getting dropped bcs his watts/kg for the long climbs is not up to par…
only in Bizarro World.
Already in the 19th century found that were were many things correlated with m/h^2
That was just my intuition because as I said in physiology many different parameters are correlated with with h^2 and I posted an article that in weight lifters maximum strength seems to be correlated the cross sectional area of muscle which maximum is determined by height…
Yes, but I guess the point was that nevertheless MvdP > most pros with higher w/kg
Mainly disagree and partly agree.
At Elite level you need the genetics, end of story. Plus the application and dedication.
As a TR user you do not, or even at Cat (1), 2, 3 .
Too many people say they don’t have the genes and are to quick to limit themselves, maybe they don’t, many, the majority are not limited by genetics.
Look at your life-style and how much you can commit, a majority of people are not within, say 20% of their limit.
What science do you base all this on?
I am not basing it on science, that is why I said… "say… "
Forget the percentage, most are not anywhere near their generic limit but blame that as an easy way to justify their results.
You need to live like a monk, not have a family or job, to even remotely approach your limits, pretty much no one on this forum is near their limits.
For those still working things out, ignore everything that has to do with cycling for a minute.
This entire topic is Nature vs Nurture.
An AGE OLD topic.
If you want to be the best in the world you must maximize both.
If you want to be the best with respect to yourself, maximize nurture.
Why?
Nature is out of your control. I didn’t have you tell you that. You already knew that.
Nurture is more in your control. Of course, there can exist external and environmental factors that influence the quality of your nurture. But there is still lots you can do within your control. Unless you believe in predetermined destiny. A completely different topic.
If that is still not clear, let’s go through some very simple, generic permutations:
Bad Nature, Bad Nurture = Everything is bad.
Bad Nature, Great Nurture = Gold star participation award.
Good Nature, Bad Nurture = A squandered life.
Great Nature, Great Nurture = Domain professional.
Life is not fair. But enjoyment and happiness can still be found for everyone who seeks it. Maybe striving over a nice round number is what feeds into that enjoyment. For many this will come at a great cost. As mentioned earlier, the guys I see training +16hrs to hit 4.0wkg have made cycling a lifestyle. Everything else is a 2nd priority. Everything.
Cycling is a wonderful sport but it can truly take so much.
Go all in and MAYBE you can be rewarded by what you seek. But this sacrifice can make you really, really weird. Esp in the public eyes. Be careful what you wish for.
mmm. I guess, but for the “>” to be valid, a few caveats:
Honestly it sounds like you mostly agree…
No one would suggest that genetics are immaterial at the elite level. I’m just tired of hearing all the people claiming that you’re born into the world tour and just sit around eating bonbons until the contract shows up.
I have no illusions that I’m one good training season away from Cav. It’s just interesting how many people are willing to put time and effort into training only to go onto a forum after and sandbag about how their genetics aren’t good and that’s why they are what they are. Sure - we could all have better genetics… but no one can change it so focus on what you can control
Yes we are agreeing.
Just I’m saying, that genetics are critical at Elite level and that doesn’t mean you can become Pro without putting in the training and dedication.
I have made the same point several times above, the reality is some people blame their genetics and that is not really the issue or thing stopping them from being much better.
Nobody has said that … other than you.
I also don’t see anyone personally blaming genetics for their performance in this topic.
Who said anything like that? You said that you’ll never be Cav. Do we take that as your sandbagging?
My point is that he is arguably one of the greatest cyclists ever. He will never win the Tour de France or Giro because it is a watts per kg race. But he can be cyclocross world champ and win races like Flanders.
well he’s still at 6.5 w/kg. Just at a higher weight than any of the GC riders. Hence he’s suffering more once climbs hit give or take 6%.
He’s most definitely not 6.5 w/kg for > 20min
6.5W/kg as an FTP is GC contender level for sure…
MvdP is not a GC contender…