Racing experts - school me on hiding

Seeking helpful tips from those who’ve experienced things of a similar nature and overcome them (process goals I can apply myself to).

Basically I’ve noticed that in racing (short course UK criterium races) there is a definite pattern whereby in the earlier stages of a race although I’m intending / planning to keep out of the wind / away from the front and just ‘hang’ mid pack I seem to always end up at or near the front rotating with the faster riders.

This undermines everything else because:

  • I’m big and not very aero (working on it) and so being at the sharp end hits me hard
  • my FTP / w/kg / body weight / general fitness is at best average for the category I’m currently competing in (4th category) so any hard efforts or matches burnt mean I put myself in a hole (I’m working on all the aforementioned areas)
  • on the occasion when I’ve managed to ‘hide’ reasonably well I’ve performed an awful lot better so I’m aware of the impact on the overall outcome

Self reflection leads me to conclude its not just over exuberance or inability to know where I am (spatial awareness) and that instead I’m just lacking in the ability to effectively manage my position in the pack compared to others

As I’m a big dude I also notice people tend to try and sit on my wheel for a ‘rest’ etc :smiley:

I also feel like I get intimidated or pressured by other riders to close gaps so wonder if that’s just a lack of confidence in my own ability and / or maybe something else?

Finally - I’ve noticed in the races I’ve ridden, not just this year, but previously, that for the most part, after an initial frenzy, the pace settles to a much more manageable level and I can then ‘cope’ pretty well and apply myself to the last few laps with confidence.

So what top tips do people have for me that I can look to apply that will help?

I know practice makes perfect and the more racing I do the better I will get if I apply myself but any specifics to look at will be super helpful.

Example below of (perhaps unwisely) racing in a mixed 3/4 cat race where 90% were 3rd cats and ending up doing a few laps between 2nd and 5th wheel, then a turn on the front which led to me going POP and getting spat out the back like a dead weight. :joy:

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This is probably your absolute biggest issues - you need to go into that race with the mentality of IDGAF if a breakaway makes it or not because “you” are not chasing it down.

You need to hide, short rotate and fall back as much as possible during the first half of the race and the only gaps you should cover are the ones where your either trying to go from mid-back pack to front-mid pack or if you somehow have to catch a wheel.

Don’t show off your matches unless you absolutely have too or you feel its for a race winning (break winning) move.

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It takes a lot of mental toughness to go slow in a race.

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Thanks - this is really helpful :+1:t2:

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Brilliant! - this is it. Thanks :pray:

Awesome :sunglasses:- I will do some studying!

Almost certainly not the case :rofl:

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Really good video :+1:t2::+1:t2:

How did you get away with the on bike cameras and not get pinged by the race stewards? :sunglasses:

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Which course(s) are you racing on? There are crit courses where you definitely don’t want to hang near the back because they’re technical and/or narrow and/or have a hill steep enough to split things and so there’s a high likelihood you’ll get caught the wrong side of a split and not be able to respond. And there are circuits (typically the aerodrome or motor racing ones) where they’re wide and not too technical and sitting near the back is a viable strategy for saving energy with low risk of missing any big splits. Sitting near the back on those courses is also a good way of spotting who looks strong, who’s struggling, etc, which all helps.

If it’s a circuit where you do need to stay near the front then doing so while conserving energy and not actually going on the front is a skill that is pretty hard to master, especially for a big guy. I would be inclined to settle for now for the next best thing which in my view is taking the occasional turn but keeping it short and controlled. I.e. If you find yourself on the front then don’t panic, just do 20-30 seconds at around threshold which should be enough to keep things ticking along without burning matches or pushing you into the red. Then flick the elbow and move to the side. If you’ve done a decent little pull without putting anybody else on the limit then normally next guy will be willing and able to pull through and you can then focus on getting back into the pack without dropping too far back. This is where your size should help as people should be happy to let you in and then get the draft, but you do also sometimes need to be fairly assertive I.e. Spotting a bit of a gap, pointing at the back wheel you want to move onto and then just move before the guy behind gets a chance to try and close that gap if he wants to defend his position. I tend to try and avoid inserting myself in between 2 riders from the same team as people can get aggro if they think you’re taking “their” wheel, but others who don’t mind a bit of niggle will have no issues doing so!

People do sometimes play silly buggers and refuse to come through, though quite often when I see this happen it’s actually because somebody has hit the front and smashed it and the riders behind are either unable or unwilling to pull through as a result, so don’t be that guy (besides which there is no benefit to you doing this, you’re just tiring yourself out and towing everybody along behind you). So if you flick the elbow and move and the guy behind just eases up and follows you then you may need to sit right up (don’t brake) and slow down enough that if he doesn’t pull through then somebody else will.

I also tend to find that if people know you’re willing and able to take the occasional turn then they’re more likely to let you into the line and be ok with you loitering near the front. Especially at lower cats people can have more of a sense of “fairness” and feel that if you’re not working you should get out the way. They’re wrong, it’s a race and conserving energy if you can is fair game, but equally a few short pulls at threshold isn’t going to significantly hurt you so may well be the least bad option.

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Awesome - might see you there!

Did you email British Cycling or the specific race organiser?

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Yep - that seems like a very sensible approach - I’ll be giving it a go

Portsmouth (Mountbatten) so basically a flat oval - not super wide but not what I’d describe as ‘narrow’ either

Also raced at Thruxton previously which was SUPER fun but also the hardest I’ve worked on a bike :smiley:

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My view point on this: Would you make a bad move in a different sport if your opponents were trying to pressure you?

In general, opponents want you to do things that will improve their odds of winning. If an opponent is pressuring you into a move, it is probably a sign you shouldn’t do it. Even further, you can probably view an opponents frustration with you as a good thing.

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I’m also new. Assuming I’m not in a breakaway (in which case I’ll do short pulls with the rest) my goal is to pretend fifth/sixth wheel is the front.

so I’ll rotate from 10th-12th wheel up to fifth to sixth then slide back into 10th-12th. If I end up further back I’ll use the next low output available moment to move back up to around 10th.

I can still keep an eye on the front, but also happy to let a break go if need be. I’m probably too conservative but as someone who doesn’t have a decade in my legs I’m almost never going to close a gap. That’s a choice I make before the race and then stick to it. My mantra is When in doubt let it go. Until the final few 100m. Then if I’ve made it that far it’s a different story.

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One thing about covering breaks - you don’t have to be the first one to go. Often breaks will form when one or two folks get a little gap then there are attacks from the field by a few riders to bridge. Often the best place to be is one of the last folks to latch on and follow the last successful bridge. If you want to do that its actually better to be back like 10th -15th so there are some (suckers!) to tow you up to the break.

Another strategy is to mark a few racers who you are reasonably sure a) they know what they are doing and b) are not likely to let a potentially successful break get away from them and stay on their wheels. They’ll tow you up if things go well.

Finally, if you race locally often you’ll start to notice that the crowd at the front at the beginning of the race is often quite different than the group of folks who are up front as the end starts approaching. Recognize those successful guys who always just seem to appear out of no where with a few laps left. Stick with, or at least take your guidance from those guys.

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I’m around 90kg, and Wed worlds I pray that the even bigger 115kg dude with huge engine shows up so I can sit on his wheel :joy:

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Big guy life goals :rofl::rofl:

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Agree with this, with the caveat that at Cat 4 (and to an extent Cat 3 and even some of the higher cats) many of your opponents don’t really know what they’re doing! And that in the UK race scene at least you tend to bump into the same people over and over again at races so there is also an element of playing the long game. I.e. there are times when frustrating your opponent is a good thing, there are also times when it costs you little or nothing to be helpful, and doing so may just make you some allies who will be useful later in the race or in future races.

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+1 to this. Lesson learned the hard way, many times. Be a late game bloomer!

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I would agree with this based on doing many crits over the years in various fields: cat 1/2 and completely mixed cat 1-4 fields. The vast majority of folks really don’t have the engine or race experience to ride optimally. The folks that do have the engine and race experience are quite good at forcing you situationally (leaving gaps) or coercing you verbally to work more so they can benefit. The good folks also tend to be very patient.

I’ve had good success with rarely responding to anything in the first 10-15 minutes and try and surf mid pack and only start moving up once a rhythm starts - this is where it becomes much easier to read the race and start actually racing. Having teammates obviously helps, but certainly not necessary to succeed in crits.

My advice would be to be patient and not be too far back in the first 10min or so, or until the chaos kind of slows, and then move up and start really thinking of your most efficient way to race. As others have mentioned, try not to be the one to do the big accelerations, but tag on to someone else doing them. Even those are hard, so again be patient and really try to pick your moments when folks start looking tired.

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kudos for racing up! There’s a lot to be gained from that experience; next time, you know that 2nd wheel is a bit too far up, but sitting 5-7th is very wise. The middle of pack, while maybe a bit more aerodynamic at times, also experiences more of the rubber band effect, which is amplified by any tight or technical turns (so somewhat course dependent).

don’t let someone else dictate how you race. even if they yell “CLOSE THE GAP”, let them do it, unless you’ve determined that it is wise for you to do it.

Whenever we pedal in a bike race, we should know exactly WHY we are doing it. what is the micro goal that we are accomplishing?

Court awareness! So important; but even you picking up on this weakness is awesome. Always be taking account of what is going on, and put on your chess hat…what is going to happen NEXT!

Go to where the puck is going, not where it is.

Good luck mate!

Fellow big man,
Brendan

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I didn’t see it mentioned anywhere yet but learn to read the wind. Learn to ride on the protected side when possible. This has helped me a lot this year and even made me realize you don’t always have to be sitting directly in line with everybody to be protected. Apply it in group rides and apply it in races. It saves more energy than you might realize.

Also, if you do find yourself on the front, sit around threshold as others have said. Don’t be a hero and after a little bit, just cut your power a small amount and you’ll find others will come around for fear of the pace slowing too much.

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So I had the opportunity this morning to put into practice all of the helpful advice and encouragement offered on this thread in response to my question.

Things I did (process goals) that were successful.

  • avoided gunning it hard from the start and burning my matches too soon (although it was mightily tempting - see next point!)
  • elected to not go with the one guy who went all-in from lap #02 and made it stick; he really did ride an epic race in terms of making the gap stick and then pacing himself well to lap the field which just wouldn’t work together to chase him down
  • sat 3rd and 4th wheel for most of the rest of the race - taking short pulls on the front but making sure I did no more than anyone else and less if possible
  • resisted the temptation to close gaps even when they opened up to be quite big, letting the ‘anxiety’ pass, ignoring the shouts to ‘close the gap’ and then latching on to whoever eventually sprang up to bridge
  • tried my hardest to THINK consciously about being aero / limiting efforts / hiding in the wheel / not towing other people around on a free ride / being aware of what was happening 360 degrees around me
  • consciously decided to not get frustrated at the seeming lack of willingness for anyone but 1 other rider to work together with me for more than one lap

Things that I still need to work on as they remain unachieved (yet)

  • yet again (3rd time in the last 2 months) timed my sprint wrong and ended up failing to realise my potential (started too late this time and was only getting into my stride and reeling in the two guys in front of me FAST when crossing the line - I barely tipped 1000w in the sprint when I should be spinning myself well into the 1200s based on training efforts this year so far
  • still noticing I’m not yet consistently taking proper account of the wind and finding shelter - I probably did so consciously about 60% of the time but the other 40% I found myself working harder than I needed to.

Overall I enjoyed this mornings race more by concentrating on these process goals, even though I came 5th (maybe 4th) due to my sprint mistake as noted above; and I was constantly thinking about this TR thread and playing back to myself the comments / tips and feedback. :smiley:

Feel like I’m nearly there in terms of being able to compete for the top spot - I was literally half a wheel from beating the two guys in front of me notwithstanding the winner who simply rode a superb race and is likely a whole level of ability above where I am.

Thanks to everyone who’s replied with helpful tips :+1:t2::+1:t2::+1:t2:

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