Pro/Elite training

Really wish I could share these html files where the charts are embeded, however, they are quite large and I don’t want to use my google drive account for this. And anyway, not sure if a lot of people are actually looking at these in detail. Probably only if could get the diet composition, e.g. the myfitnesspal log. Seems to be what most people are interested in :slight_smile:

So far I have 2019 through for about 20 riders. Nov/Dec is not that interesting. They all get back in full swing mid/late December.

A high level summary:

  • they always ride a lot, at least 4h
  • only exception on rest days or when riding indoors (which does not happen so often)
  • during their long rides they do efforts. Mostly climbing efforts in all different shapes. And mostly spread over the course of a ride. They don’t do these only in the beginning.
  • often 2 days with efforts, 1 day easy. Clearly not 80/20 on a session basis. It’s actually not really possible to clearly distinguish easy and hard sessions. Sometimes but more often not.
  • once race season starts things diverge

What strikes me, 2 riders from Jumbo-V and 1 rider from Mitch-Scott. Their training seems to be more structured. For the M-S rider the most. Seems to be in line with what is reported about these two teams: chasing Sky/Ineos with “more” professionalism.

So here is this MS rider. As alluded to above, his SST target range seems to be ~335-345W. This helps putting his sessions into context. Lots, lots, lots of climbing. Must admit, what I see there is what I’ve always assumed on Sky’s training (based on the bits and pieces of information you get).

Weeks 1-12

Weeks 13-24

weeks 24-35

mmmm … images are too large. If i size them down you won’t see anything … have to think about alternatives

I am reading and I don’t care about myfitnesspal log. My weight has always been alright I just need to get my power up :wink:

When looking at your analysis I actually found out that I need to ride more in the grey zone! My three-zone distribution looks like 78-11-11. I don’t want to interrupt this thread I just wanted to let you know that I am interested! Particularly in the climbers training. Obviously, basics are clear - ride and climb a lot. MS guys don’t appeal to me too much but Pinot’s or Gaudu’s training would be nice.

Thanks.

this is also one of my takeaways for next season. Furthermore, to spread efforts wider within rides. My goal it to build fatigue resistance as well. The exercise so far was really an eye opener for me in this regard.

Unfortunately neither of them makes power data public. W/o power I find it meaningless to extract their data. I’ve looked into S Reichenbach’s training. Unfortunately I can’t extract his rides easily, something breaks my tool with him. FDJ trains a lot together. A lot lot so I would have thought he can serve as a surrogate for the general training approch in this team. Haven’t seen any Giminez or other Grappe session, though. One of the posts above is on him, the one with Teide.

I looked closely at the Teide post even without knowing that. I’ll study it once more. Thanks again!

mmm … this is the MS rider now. Had to resize it, crappy quality. And too much hassle. This is the last and only one with an entire season, sorry.



and these are a few weeks after Teide.

Really appreciate the time you are spending to pull data, analyze, and post. All confirms what I suspected.

Likewise; thank you so much for this
It’s a real skill you have in being able to pull data from Pros
I honestly think TR should ask you to do some blog pieces for them in an official manner; and how this could tie in with ‘outside rides’

Can i ask you how you create the cumulative power charts (post 179)?
is this easy to do with your own data?

This is really great. Since you have the tools… any chance of finding some guys who instead of focusing on grand tour type stuff were focusing on say the one hour record (rare) or targeting their national TT championship? It might be that the guys targeting those TT titles are also road racing so their training could just reflect the general racing and not the TT.

So far what I am getting out of this is Eddy Merckx was basically right - ride lots :-]

I guess you could have a look at Team Ribble folks (John Archibald, Dan Bigham), Marcin Bialoblocki and perhaps Alex Dowsett for a WT-level TT specialist

That and I need to find some bigger climbs…

Good stuff here: Progress from process: What it takes to make it to the WorldTour - VeloNews.com

Well, this depends on your skills and tools available. I do this everyday for work. I simply throw all rides into one big dataset and pass this to my charting library. This is just a few lines of codes.

Not sure but Golden Cheetah can do histograms. If it is possible to export these as data (not as image), one could construct a CDF easily in Excel.

It only gets tricky when rides are not recorded in 1s steps.

Thanks for reposting (see #13). :wink:

Dowsett also talkes about his training sessions on his youtube channel now and then.

you can nicely see his warm-up protocol for a prologue in the second to last plot…

Being a TTer, he’s said that the classic 20min 95-105% Over-Under is one of his staple workouts.

What would that make his AeT, 70% FTP? :man_shrugging:

he has zone distributions public (and seem plausible)

example

grafik

You laugh but back in a day, when I trained for a 12hr event, I could get away with just 1 banana over a four hour super easy ride. It’s all about SLOOOOWLY teaching your body to adapt to a particular training regimen.

I actually see quite a few parallels to many riders above in the thread.