Hi there, is the TrainerRoad Team still collecting data from the ride reports? I have been submitting my feedback and am happy to continue doing so as long as it’s still helpful for refining the ERG mode PowerMatch. I feel that my experiences with PM have significantly improved over time and I am looking forward to future tweaks that will make it even better! Thanks for all the hard work that’s gone into this.
Thanks for submitting your reports! No need to continue if things are working well. If you do end up having issues you’d like help with, support is the best place to go. They will be able to diagnose and resolve PowerMatch or device problems at an individual level much better.
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Did Whorl earlier this week no problem. Today it’s plagued. Going into one of the intervals where power ramps up it kept ramping up longer until I paused the ride. Then resumed and power fell to 50%. Paused again and resumed and all was good.
Then on the ramp down for same interval it kept ramping down longer. Had to pause resume pause resume again. Next interval same crap
I’ll send to support but anyone else have this? Nothing in my setup changed.
I jumped into the same workout after I got done and jumped ahead to the ramp up and down, no issues on the second go, not sure what happened above but seems isolated
I didn’t even know that the new facility existed. Tried it to day with my 2017 Kickr, Stages Left, and the slider set to .75.
Ever since I’ve had my Kickr, TR Powermatch always caused me to miss the interval targets by a couple of watts. In the big scheme, that’s meaningless. But to me, it is mentally difficult to ‘miss’ a target and I’ve always hated this.
My first ride with the new facility was a revelation! I still got the gentle ramp up and overshoot, but then it settled right into the target wattage and stayed pretty close. Every work interval ended up a couple of watts higher than target. (Again, meaningless…but mentally satisfying.) I’ll chime back in this week to report with more data than a single workout.
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Update: I’m still happy.
- Very short intervals (30 seconds) perform better than the original. The behavior is a smooth, fast ramp up followed by an overshoot. Then it settles down and bounces slightly high and low until the end. Typical result is hitting the target average wattage.
- Long intervals - same
- One-minute intervals, 115% ftp - These had the typical ramp, overshoot, and settle behavior. However, PM seems to undershoot a bit and I missed every interval by 3 watts. My guess is that the variances are more pronounced at higher wattage levels and 1 minute is too short for it to average out perfectly.
For those who have been using this new PM feature, what does the slider actually do? Based on feedback from earlier posts, I settled on ‘75’ but have no idea what happens if I make changes.
This is such an improvement over the original PM functionality!
Follow up question: I’m using a Stages left power meter so I know that the variability will be higher than with other measuring point options. What is the impact of the power smoothing option (1-sec, 3 sec…) on the PM feature, if any?
Hey! As Alhan advises above, if you do end up having issues you’d like help with, support is the best place to go. They will be able to diagnose and resolve PowerMatch or device problems at an individual level much better (based on the equipment you’re using, your internal ride log data, and so on!).
Cheers!
Agreed. I thought that understanding the slider functionality would help everyone. I’m not having issues anyway as I’m quite happy with the new PM methodology.
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My understanding is that the slider is functioning as some sort of “dampening” type coefficient. But after playing around with it - I’ve tried 0.1 & 0.5 - I cannot really any difference between these two settings on my gen1 Kickr.
Quick question: having just ordered Assioma’s, will the new powermatch work on mobile? (I can do android or iOS).
My goal is to get power in and outdoors consistent, but ERG quality is important to me. So far Kickr Core is doing very well, and I hope with assioma’s + powermatch that will still be the case 
the new powermatch in the mobile apps is only available in the betas and atm only with BLT, as i understand the ANT+ Option will come later!
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Thanks so much for the answer!
Is it possible to try this beta app? 
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sure, look in the beta threads (there is one for android and one for iOS) and ask to add you!
Anyway, Powermatch in Windows App is production and it works great for me with Neo2 connected via BLT and Vecor 3 with ANT+
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thanks! 
I am using the Favero Assioma’s with Powermatch on a Samsung S9 Mobile phone with ANT+ FE-C controlling the trainer. I have 3 ANT+ connections on: the trainer, the powermeter, and my Garmin HRM heart rate chest strap. It works just fine.
The only problem I have is that, in ERG mode, when I change my cadence, the power reading takes “a bit more time” to respond than I would have expected. But I am a noob, and haven’t tried my smart trainer’s power numbers at all. I have a SARIS H3, which is supposed to have good power accuracy. So, I will try that some time. But for now, I wanted to keep the Assioma power numbers as that’s what I use outside as well.
I’m using Favero Assioma Duos with Powermatch on an H2 trainer. I run TR on my Windows PC. What I have seen is that when doing single leg drills - the power is all over the place - either too high or too low or way off. I don’t even try to do single leg drills with Powermatch. Doing single leg drills w/o Powermatch works perfectly fine. Wish TR could fix this.
I suspect the differences you see:
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With Power Match = very erratic power data, but this makes sense considering you are measuring power right at the pedals, and with only one foot engaged. This will absolutely show more variation than pedaling with both feet. That is because the power data is coming from a single leg, and is much more phased (on/off) power application when compared to measuring and seeing both legs. Both legs working will naturally “smooth” the data to some degree.
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Without Power Match = more stable power data, since the power is now reporting from the H2 trainer. It is known to smooth the data a bit, coupled with the fact that the power measurement location will effectively dampen any power fluctuation (especially when compared with pedals that measure at the extreme other end of the power production cycle). So using no Power Match effectively dulls the power changes.
In reality, your issue isn’t about Power Match specifically. It’s about the power measuring device you are using for power data, and the unique attributes of those devices (where they measure, how they measure, and how they report the power data is quite different).
An option to consider is to change the power smoothing duration you have set in your TR app. For pedals, something from 5-15 seconds may help soften the erratic changes you see for 1 leg drills.
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Thanks Chad. I will give that a shot.
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First post, registered when I saw this topic. Wanted to provide comments from a new (old) TR user.
Used TR extensively in 2017 and generally had good experiences and training responses. Stopped indoor structured training but continued riding the last few years. Reupped a few months ago and was pleasantly surprised by powermatch.
In the years since I last used TR, the usability of everything has improved immensely. When I first fired everything up, I expected there to be multiple attempts to get devices to connect and figure out how to get TR to control the trainer properly. In previous attempts without TR, trying to set these functions up in the Wahoo app has been misery. I was surprised to how seamless everything went in TR. All three of my devices connected and powermatch began controlling my Gen 1 Kickr without issue.
I cannot express enough how happy I am with TR this time around. I emailed TR with some major praises, and although the price has increased substantially, the ease of functionality is likely something that will keep me around.
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