For my Aussie Brethren, what do you think the Australian price will be for the H3?
Possible release date?
It is definitely pricey, but the MP1 certainly has me intrigued. Could definitely see the benefit of this during long rides on the trainer, if only for the increased comfort from not being locked in a static position. Iād want to try it out first though to see if it would be worth the investment. Presumably you could buy this once and it would last through several generations of trainers, perhaps improving the value proposition.
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I am planning a series of new videos for rocker plates this season.
- My first may be the āhackā version with a minimum of cost, materials and effort.
- My goal is to make something that people can replicate easily and cheaply to get the main feel of a rocker and the added movement when compared to rigid.
- It could be an end for some rides, but may serve as validation for them to pursue a purchase or DIY option with more advanced design and function.
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For the cost of a Kickr you can get a rocker plate to set your bike on? Man thatās super steepā¦
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Very interested in the āhackā version as Iām not very handy, but would love to build a functional rocker plate with minimal effort on the cheap!
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MP1 looks like itās listed on at least one site at $999 with a 10% coupon. At $899, I may be interested if itās thte best available option.
And, I got to think you could use your own riser block if you want rather than their tied down version. Itās just a platform isnāt it?
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Yes. Itās just a wedge for the front tire that raises it about a half inch off the groundāmostly there to protect the ground. You can use whatever you want. You donāt need a riser and Wahoo doesnāt include one, but the one that comes with the Hammer is pretty unobtrusive and is great for protecting carpet, hardwood, etc.
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Watched your YouTube review on the H3. Thanks, it was great - very thorough. I am somewhat new to all of this, but the big issue with the H3 seems to be the inexplicable bad cadence readings and some smaller power reading issues in sprints. Both of these problems would be fixed with an external cadence / power meter, correct? Since I have a Favero Assioma power meter on my bike, and can get both cadence and power from that, the H3 seems almost perfect to my novice eyes. For around $1K you get a good ride experience with a heavy flywheel, good ERG, and non of the historic quality issues of Wahoo. Am I missing something? I was waiting for Eurobike before investing in a smart training and this seems to tick off most, if not all, of the boxes.
Yeah, and thanks for the advice. Definitely waiting for Eurobike. Just happy that the first product out of the gate is pretty much what I was hoping for (.i.e the equivalent to a dependable Kickr Core). Product releases are fun when you are in the market. Closest adults get to Christmas.
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The price of the MP1 Nfinity really makes me think Saris doesnāt see a large market for this. At a high level, you could break the price into these components (very simplified model):
- Unit Cost = Actual price to manufacture an incremental unit and get it into the distribution system (e.g., shipping to retailers / distributors) - for sake of argument, assume this is pretty much fixed across volume
- Sunk Cost = R&D + any new machines needed to manufacture the MP1. This is a variable cost based off of assumed sales volume
- Channel Margin = List Price - Price paid by the channel. Usually a % of the list price. So this would also be fixed across sales volume (roughly)
- Margin = % of Unit Cost + Sunk Cost or you can think of this as: List Price - Channel Margin - (Unit Cost + Sunk Cost). This is whatever Saris decides it needs and covers Profit to Saris + SG&A (Sales, General, and administrative costs - everything but R&D / manufacturing costs). So this would be fixed across sales volume (roughly)
So the net is that the two components of the List Price that Saris can play with are:
- Sunk Cost = (total put into R&D for this + any additional new equipment needed to manufacture the MP1) / expected sales volume
- Margin
Iām guessing from the List Price that Saris is looking at the MP1 Nfinity as a āHaloā product, and not expecting a large sales volume. So the Sunk Cost per expected sale is high.
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If an engineering company is asked to design and make a coffee mug/cup/tumbler which comes out to $100 each, theyāre not going to sell many compared to whatās available nowadays. The first step shouldāve been asking or researching āwhat is the price consumers are willing to spend on this?ā
Iād say Saris missed the boat there.
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I watched your video and it looks like a rocker plate relieves the pressure. I usually stand for 10 seconds after the first 30 minutes and every 10 minutes after that, thatās with the Neo 2. It was the same for the kickr 2018. If a rocker could increase the time between āneedingā to stand or eliminating it all together to reduce saddle pressure/fatigue, it would be a well worth purchase. Iām curious what the pressure relief difference between a āhackā, āDIYā, production such as the āSBRā and the āMP1ā. Is one better than the other, how much of a difference between each? That would really shine a light on the price point.
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I have plans to do more pressure tests next month. I have several rockers and the Neo 2, and hope to see how they all compare.
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I am a dentist and still wouldnāt pay that. Ouch
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Looking at potential benefits, build quality, locally sourced materials. Anything made in the USA is going to be more. They could have sourced over seas, cut the quality and the price and hit a 600 price tag. Maybe weād end up with another kickr 2018 where the build quality is hit or miss. You could buy a Trek SL which is outsourced and save a lot of money or but an SLR made in the USA and pay a lot more. Lots of options and Iām glad we have options.
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Iāll likely buy the h3. Just waiting for Eurobike and then availability of the h3.
ā¦ but the mp1. Sure, itās nice, but couldāve probably had broader appeal with lesser material quality and likely served the same purpose with minimal drawbacks.
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Heheā¦
You know the mtb bro insult ādentistā, no offense intended. Iām of the other type of medical professional that somehow didnāt get that association even if we do deserve it.
Well, your bike does move forward and backward on the road just not in steady state. Even been close on someone who is inexperienced wheel as they stand up? Okay, so that is being pedantic so fair enough.
I donāt see why you need fore-aft movement other than maybe they are attempting to simulate more realistic power delivery in explosive terms? Ie sprints and the power lost as the bike moves backwards rather than into the cranks? It would force you to not rely on the bike stability and utilize your own balance? Dunno.
Huhā¦ I very recently bought a H2 on sale - $1450 (with a free mat). I now know why! The sale price could well be an indicator of the H3 price.