At the risk of setting off another dumpster fire of a discussion, I was listening to Empirical Cycling and they were discussing the best and worst workouts. Kolie had the ramp test as a bad workout/test and very obviously took a dig at TR without explicitly stating it. I know he favors the longer te…

[image] Quaestor: Lol. I feel bad for these guys, they have a platform that basically is what ppl want and need, but can’t make it appealing. Besides they have lots of issues too. Their individual workouts are great but they don’t have a good way to string workouts together. Last time I tried…

[image] enki42: but they don’t have a good way to string workouts together. IMO this is the job of the self-coached athlete and no platform can do that better than yourself.

[image] AlphaDogCycling: Does this mean you are adding the ability to track weight daily? Or better, pull it from other services (e.g., Garmin “health”)? We wouldn’t launch this without some sort of good daily weight tracking. Probably via Apple/Android health at first so anything you sync t…

[image] enki42: Last time I tried using it it was suggesting 3 hour workouts which was a hard no from me and when I gave it a time limit I was overtraining very quickly and not really recovering. I really like the analytical side of Xert and I think most of their modelling is spot on. But the…

[image] Larzi: Perhaps some of it is tied to Lower Threshold Power being modelled as something you can do endlessly without getting fatigued. But, is there a true physiological restriction to do LTP, LT1, et al all day?..(provided you fuel appropriately and get your muscle-skeletal system pre…

redlude97: Have you tried? LTP for me and many others tracking LT1 with DFa1 are finding there is a pretty strong correlation. Like riding at low zone 3 high zone 2 it’s not all day pace but actually pretty hard endurance [image] Quaestor: But, is there a true physiological restriction t…

redlude97: I think it has more to do with them being very careful about what the data says before extrapolating out. As they said, its an artifact of the calculation that happens to line up with what people are using as LT1, but without strong physiological validation about what a test value te…

I have a friend paying KM $450/month and he’s convinced by KM’s pov. I understand how it’s usually “too high” but some people do well in 20-60min (myself included). TR is big on SS and integrated the ramp test (old as dirt btw) to compute a value that makes all the workout work… What you define as …

Group workouts are interesting data to see how your friends respond… it’s really all over the place (due to gains, old ftp, inflated ftp; who knows)

Kolie Moore on the ramp test

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Does this mean you are adding the ability to track weight daily? Or better, pull it from other services (e.g., Garmin “health”)?

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Kolie Moore on the ramp test

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