If it feels easy it might not be easy is the counter argument.
As a few of us have pointed out if it feels easy, and HR is sky high it is not easy. Therefore is HR > RPE for some in the circumstances mentioned. Answer to the question yes there is a use case for HR. This is a fact, as mentioned by myself and at least two others. You are ignoring this? No.
I understand your point but it doesn’t catch all and is true for everyone or every situation.
I accept what you say is true a lot of people in standardised conditions i.e those you are used to. It is not unreasonable for you to accept the counter argument, which has been explain in detail.
You can repeat the PPP qoute as much as you like, that doesn’t address multiple points.
Yes, but not when a season it not going to plan, its to depressing and revealing. lol.
It is a good measure but only really works over a long time period, like you say, a season or Base vs Build if we are talking 12 - 8 weeks plus for each. Short the timeframe I find there is too much noise, unless you’ve gone from serious break to really pinging/flying or the opposite.
Riding without power (only my road bike and smart trainer have power, but that’s only 50% of my total riding).
RPE vs power vs HR on a bad day. Say I’m doing a threshold block, and can’t maintain power. If my HR is higher than expected, I’m probably sick/stressed/tired. RPE could do this, but I like having the validation that something is wrong beyond my brain telling me “this is hard”.
In intervals.icu you can compare HR @ Power on specific dates. There is so much info out there I’m sure I’m not using all of it but that one caught my eye and it was nice to compare not only power and speed between two events that were months apart but it was great to see a lower HR across the board for all of it after months of training over the winter and this spring.
I don’t have HR on the main screens of my bike computer but I can look at my watch if I’m curious but I can generally guess what it is while doing steady efforts, it’s the up and down stuff where it can get a bit fuzzy.
If you know your power (which you don’t in the first case), then at best knowing your heart rate is redundant (“confirmatory” is what you called it)), but at worst it is misleading.
With respect to the latter: what do you do if your heart rate is normal, but you feel like crap anyway? Insist on soldiering on with what you’re doing, or “listen to your body”? Most rational individuals would do the latter…meaning that they understand that their heart rate is attempting to mislead them.
