I wouldn’t consider rubbing through the paint and carbon as “working well”.
Sure, it might have been fast, but I wouldn’t want to mess up my bike in the case of some mud (which happens pretty often tbh, especially in more northern parts).
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I tried the Terra Hardpacks today on fine crushed gravel/ cinder/ golf cart path gravel. I wanted a bit more cornering grip than the Terra Speeds. These seem to carve moderately better and are more confidence inspiring than the Terra Speeds, while they seem to roll about the same off-road as judged by power/speed on Strava segments. They aren’t as confidence inspiring as something like a CrossKing MTB tire though, so limit any expectations.
The downside is, out-of-the-box, they are not good for spirted road cornering. As you would expect with the square edge, they are reluctant to lean and then uneasy on the cornering edge. They seemed better after some break-in miles.
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On the maybe too close to the frame to definitively too close to the frame scale, that’s gonna screw up your paint. The tire / rim moves around a bit, that’s gonna be slapping the fork all the time.
The 2.0 PureGrip tire is pretty slow too.
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You’re right, if there was more clearance, it would have been perfect.
I will defo give the thunder burt a go. a bit narrower (2.1), might help my forks a bit.
Any intel from this group if the 2.1" Racing Ray and Ralph measure around 51mm or so like the Thunder Burt? I’ve measured the 2.35 and they measure small, so guessing that it’d be the same with the 2.1
Like some others, wondering if this could be a good setup where you want a little more grip and flat resistance than the Thunder Burt.
@kcgx - old post, but what was clearance like on the rear for the MOG with the Race King? You mentioned the front being the biggest challenge, plenty of room on the rear?
BTW - Not where you’d told me to ask, but ended up getting a frame recently, so building up now.
These were a hypothetical top contender for me but given the poor cornering would probably lean towards sticking with Thunderos and bumping up to a 48mm once I have a frame that allows for it.
I find it surprising that Vittoria has stuck with their poorly performing line up, excluding the Corsa NEXTs, the Mezcal 44 that Lachlan rode is their fastest, you would think they could make the Terreno line up to be faster than the Mezcal 44.
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I just ordered the 48 thundero’s, as well as 1 Thunder Burt to try them out. 1 Thunder Burt because I expect it will fit fine in the front (Checkpoint) but not sure about the back.
I’m currently running G-one RS’, and quite like them. But they size a little on the small size (43-44mm), whereas the thunderos look like they’ll be 4-5mm bigger when mounted. Then of course the Thunder Burt a few mm bigger again.
But overall I like the higher volume tires, and hopefully it is increasing performance more than hurting it.
The pedaling feel of larger tires on pavement and smooth gravel is unmotivating (slow feeling) even though I know better, keeping it a little narrower gives me the lively feel I like, apparently without sacrificing much speed on the rough stuff.
This is exactly how I feel with ThunderBurts. The gravel events (not races because I’m slow) are generally 25-50% road - so I feel like my TBs are overkill. I have 40 Thunderos, 45 Terra Speeds (that i haven’t tried yet) and the 2.1 TBs.
If you did an event that was 50% mild gravel / 10% easy singletrack / 40% tarmac, what would you choose?
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I think I’d go with the 45 Terra Speeds.
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Just made the same decision…was debating b/t 42 S-Works Pathfiners, 44 Thundero, 45 G-One RS, and 45 Terra Speeds…went Terra Speeds. Will report back in a week or two. Coming from 38 Gravelking SS which I had zero issues with but just needed some more volume.
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Is it actually really fast in the real world? Wondering if I should try a TB to complement my Pathfinder Pros. I don’t think I will have enough clearance to run Race Kings.
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I have a TB 2.35" Super Race on my gravel bike/commuter (drop bar MTB). So it’s about 70/30 (road/offroad).
I have about 1700km on this setup. The rear tire has worn quite a bit, the front looks pretty good still. My guestimate is that i’m gonna get about 3000km of life out of the rear tire.
The TB rolls fast, is quiet on the road and has good grip off-road. However, when it’s wet, they give little grip on pavement. I slid out pretty hard in a corner on a damp road where I didn’t feel like I was pushing the tire.
I have a gravel event in a couple of weeks. After that i’m gonna switch it out for a wide slick to test out for commuting.
Of interest:
The older version of this tire was called the Big One and made (small) waves back in 2016/2017 but there wasn’t the infrastructure to ignite the sort of excitement we’re seeing now. I saw a few people using them on repurposed beach racing bikes at local events but that was all, before they faded away.
I’m curious to see if this makes it into the gravel influencer sphere and out to real life again - does such require it to appear on Bicycle Rolling Resistance first? Then of course the question is if 2.35" is too much compromise around the bike to appeal to the gravel racing population. How many gravel race bikes would this fit? Is it potentially faster by enough to outweigh the ease of fitting 2.1/2.2 Race Kings/Thunder Burts?
I didn’t really have a bike that would fit these BITD but I do now so it’s definitely on my shopping list whenever it gets released.
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It looks like there’s a 50mm version too.
The listed 50mm G One Speed is the older slower model and it’s not clear if they’re updating that size to the Pro model. The G One Speed Super Ground did not test very well at BRR in the 40mm.
I don’t think it’s listed for sale - the 60mm G One Speed Pro Super Race, Race Guard, Addix Race appears to have a stock # of 11654585 while the older Super Ground Addix Speedgrip have stock numbers 11600975.01 and 11600996.02 for the 50/60mm versions. These are the tires actually listed for sale at the link, not the new Pro model. As far as I can tell.
If you click Addix Race here the only option is the 60-622 model right now. Would be great if they did update the 50mm model.
I might have to try these on my 29er
So confusing with the similar but different names, on the same product page.
Can you even be a tire manufacturer without having a confusing mess of a product line with similarly named models with slight differences?
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Schwalbe tire names really suck. I don’t even know how THEY keep track.
I’m currently running these and they feel really fast. Plenty of traction for midwest gravel. I like them way more than the Maxxis Reavers they replaced.
SCHWALBE G-ONE RS Super Race, V-Guard 45-622