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Without looking at the actual numbers, I suspect it’s probably a small increase in watts somewhere that isn’t enough to affect the other numbers but somehow does affect classification? Weird in any case.

Yeah I thought the same, however scrubbing through each of the intervals I couldn’t seem to find any difference. Ohh well, just bummed I missed out on the extra 0.1 progression rating! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Drake amended is missing its Alternates section. Between that, the amended tagged onto the name, and the typos in the description, I’d guess it’s not supposed to be visible. @IvyAudrain

I’ve been on the AT beta for a month or so now and there’s a lot I like about the update:

  • New training plans informed by the data
  • New career page gives a nice overview
  • Workout levels informed by the data
  • Alternates function to quickly look through and adjust a workouts duration/intensity where necessary
  • Ability to add time off and have the plan adapt around it
  • Ability to use Train Now to supplement the workout choices

The problem I’m finding is that given the outstanding issues, I don’t trust or use the actual automatic adaptations, which are often suggesting lower level workouts than I’d expect given those that I’ve completed recently (that may not have been recognised or categorised correctly given the issues highlighted in the thread).

There still feels quite a bit to do for this to be ready for primetime so my suggestion would be to release the features listed above to everyone (those that aren’t already) with the plan adaptations turned off, which would be a great step forward and allow people to make informed adjustments to their own plans. This would take the pressure off the remaining features and buy some time for a thorough test and shake-out process.

Getting on Adaptive Training and using a prescribed plan with more visibility to your specific levels and progressions will probably provide a lot of clarity there. Beyond that, for specific questions about the ā€˜why’ of a change, its always a good idea to reach out to support@trainerroad.com so they can work with members of the team to look at the full scope of your workouts, how they’re being classified, and see if anything is amiss. :v:

I got a follow-up comment on my support ticket related to my lack of Progression Level changes after my ā€œSuper Passā€ workout.

I passed your thoughts on to the team and can confirm that we will be improving the progression level adjustments after a Super Pass in the future!

That sounds promising to at least have some review and maybe some changes to handle this better.

I did contact support, and they confirmed it was turned off at the profile level, but somehow that wasn’t enough. After they unrolled me from the beta, the app returned to the good ol’ days.

I als provided feedback as to why it didn’t work for me, which was basically two things:

  1. Outdoor rides don’t count.
  2. Adaptations are suggested every day, making me having to make a decision, based on what actually? So the system should either explain why it is suggesting something, or it should just take the decision for me.

NICE! Definitely speaks to how important it is to reach out to the team with questions like this, getting the full picture and allowing the development team to take a look really helps all of us, athletes and TR folks, keep making this feature better!

Just got in the AT beta and I am aware there is a right way and a wrong way to adjust workouts. Is there a summary page that shows the correct way to do this? Once the plan is set up…can you move a day?

Far from that for me, I had a few in the first week but barely any since.

I believe if your plan is already completed by Plan Builder and you move it, it breaks it out of the plan so it won’t get adapted from previous workouts. If, however, you move tomorrow’s workout after completing today’s you theoretically could get it adapted and then move it. I also believe you get credit toward PLs whether it’s in the plan or not.

I’m happy to be corrected on this, of course.

I just hit accept all and call it a day. Not much more to think about in my mind, but I think I’m the odd one out in that mindset based on the posts I’ve seen.

Yes if you move a plan workout, it won’t get adapted as it’s no longer seen as part of the plan (this is annoying).

However any workouts you do will count towards you progressions and trigger adaptations in any other plan workouts you have later.

So I guess just leave the workouts as scheduled until the day you want to do them.

It makes no sense to accept changes if the changes are being recommended because AT ā€œthinksā€ you failed a session.
In my experience, it is impossible to get a pass on a over under workout outdoors.
I am considerimg withdrawing from the beta.
Currently it is not possible to follow a plan using AT if you want to incorporate out side rides.
I use a garmin.
I am not complaining, I understand it is a beta.
It just doesn’t work for me at the moment.

That’s a fair assessment, and makes sense for those doing outdoor workouts for a majority of their training.

I conduct the majority of mine indoors save for some weekend long-endurance or steady state workouts, so my adaptations have been pretty bang on accurate over the few months I’ve had access. That said, the outside workouts seem to always serve the struggle survey in the past month or so. When I know I didn’t struggle, I just choose the option that says ā€œI didn’t struggle with thisā€ (it’s the last option so you have to scroll) and then it serves me the pass survey to pick 1-5 rating. I’m on Wahoo though so they’re not really working properly anyway.

Any updates on the unstructured rides being accounted for by AT? Pretty interested in using that feature to sub certain workouts for MTB rides

My outdoor rides haven’t been accounted for. I’m thinking of re-creating a rough custom version of the ride as an indoor TR workout then associate the outdoor ride with your custom workout.

What’s with all of the ā€œsweet spotā€ workouts having 80% intervals? I always thought 80% of ftp was high endurance or low tempo, not sweet spot which according to TR is 88-94%. There seems to be a number of workouts like this. It even says ā€œTempoā€ in the description.

Best guess? That’s so low in workout level that it’s going to be leaning more to tempo than sweet spot so it can build your level up to actual sweetspot. I think you’ll see this for a lot of workouts in the 1-2 level range for a zone.