I haven’t really thought about the non-z2 work yet. However, I believe it is not as critical during this time of year. Therefore, I will use these days according to feel. Goal is to keep the glycolytic system up and running. More targeted work when season (if there is a season next year) approaches.
sweetspot: I must admit I’m not a SST fan. Either I train tempo or theshold. I don’t see a need for this range in between/overlap. But this is just semantics. Since I will own a lactate analyzer I will do plenty of MLSS tests on my non-z2 days. this will probably include some SST work as well.
exactly my motivation. Years ago I got a BSX. They promised it can detect AeT and FTP. Never delivered on AeT. And this was my main interest. Ever since I wanted to see how this reacts to training. And if at all. All this nose-breathing/talk-test stuff simply does not work properly. At least not for me. I want data.
Because everyone has listened to Seiler, who says you shouldn’t train at that intensity?
Because folks only riding 5-7 hours per week on a trainer don’t realize (psychologically or physiologically) the benefit, and opt to do other things?
Because people spend too much time reading forums like this one in search of some magic bullet, instead of just getting on with the bread-and-butter of endurance training?
Because if you’re riding by yourself, or on a trainer, it requires concentration to keep up such an effort, so people either back off or do something else (e.g., intervals)?
Thanks - deleted because I realized I shouldn’t be one of these people who doesn’t read read the thread, asks a question to be told it’s already been covered - found the answers (in more general terms) upthread.
I’ve got a lactate meter too - great fun getting under the hood!
Do you take samples on yourself or have someone else do them? I could have access to a Lactate Plus, but I’m not sure how the sample taking would work if I have to do it to myself.
Myself, self-administered. I don’t see any issues with that, especially at the intensitly levels I’m interested in. In theory you could even stop cycling for the pricking. It takes a while for lactate levels to drop. I want to do the long ISM stages with 10min. I have a Wahoo desk in front of me. And I do not intend to go to max.
My wife’s a doctor, she could take the samples easily. However, I would not bother her with this.
Fascinating thread, I have a history of time crunched training, basically neglecting true base. This past year I used TR’s standard base/build/specialty via SSB when prepping for BWR here in San Diego. Now that the even has been pushed to May 2, I have a lot of flexibility and want to try a different approach.
I haven’t listened to the various podcasts above, is the subject of volume/weekly TSS covered?
I realistically have 7-8 hours per week to train, bike only.
Tues 1.5hrs
Thurs 1.5hrs
Sat 2-3hrs
Sunday 2hrs
I’m really interested in doing this myself too. I Found the The Edge Lactate meter for € 160 euro’s. Someone has experience with this one?
I’m new in this but I want to take my self coaching to the next level and this seems to be a nice step. I’m on high volume too so doing lots of z2.
Is there a protocol available to testing the lactate levels at certain intensity’s and duration?
I respectfully disagree. Self-coaching in the context of ISM’s training model is at the heart of this thread. That’s why I started this thread (and moved the topic out of the Pro thread).
I have certainly indulged in discussions about my training on this thread, hopefully in the context or related to ISM model, and to add to our understanding of the topic, and enhance my own understanding.
My first interpretation of their posts were: “I don’t have anything to add to our understanding of ISM type training or the topic, I just want some coaching advice”. If that’s the heart of the thread, that’s cool.
They are certainly good questions. So @Kevnooy and @chuck_sd, please accept my apologies.
Hmmm…I think the chapter on ‘Be More Mega-Awesome Than Everyone Else – EVER!’ was removed from all textbooks due to non-compliance and replaced with ‘Lactate Testing for Dummies’ and ‘More Z2!’ just to give all us suckers some hope.
Perhaps we’re just bringing some measurement and tracking to what he already did. And if so and we’re no longer spit-balling it, that’s worthwhile. Maybe we can get away from arbitrary distinctions of base, build, etc and use data to move from one type of training to another. The fact that Lydiard managed to figure much of this stuff out based on feel (and not even his own feel, but those of his athletes) is absolutely legendary.
