High Fat Low Carb, Zero Fuel - 145 mins @ 160 BPM - Finished 4th Place

Nutrition
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@Pbase it is not confrontational. Honestly.

And NO, we should not close the thread.

I did a thing, and had success.

It is as if I ate this particular gel, and almost won a race.

And I made a post about that gel.

And everyone then jumped in and told me how crappy that gel is.

It’s ok if you don’t like the gel.

Go on w your life, and dislike that gel. Nobody is telling YOU to like it.

I am talking to those who MIGHT. And may have been struggling. As I was.

Why does that invite ppl to jump in and scream at me that I am wrong and the gel is terrible and I might as well just kill myself, and every study in the universe says I will die if I eat that gel ?

Who invited that? Who invited you?

I am presenting an actual fact that contradicts current info, to try to help ppl.

If you think it might help you, dive into it.

If you don’t dig it, move on. Who invited you, or anyone else, to SCREAM this disagreement ( and addiction to sugar ) ?

I did not invite, approve, or appreciate, this silly little “boys on their computers” ‘conflict’.

(These boys would do well to see an actual conflict, IRL, but I digress….)

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You keep ignoring my and others’ requests for studies to back up your claims. And for someone with a science degree you seem very quick to disregard scientific evidence that contradicts your beliefs.

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You said no one is welcome here. So…close the thread if you don’t want anyone here but you. This is a forum, not an echo chamber.

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This pretty much is the way I feel about this. I raced in my early 20s at about 73kg and 5w/kg and I didn’t take anywhere nearly the amount of sugar that people recommend now. My performance and training was always pretty good. Then again, I never trained 15-20+ hours per week like a real pro rider.
I’ve somewhat bought into the sugar idea now and take about 40g /hr of table sugar with a pinch of salt if I am riding for 1.5hr +, but still much below what some say. It’s a bit troubling to think there are people with an above normal BMI taking 90g/hr of sugar to fuel a ride based on a relatively low ftp. Intuitively, it doesn’t seem healthy and I think contributes to why they stay at an unhealthy BMI despite exercise. Also, the less watts you put out, the less energy required. So a prescription of nutrition for a powerful elite rider doesn’t trickle down well to recreational riders like us. But the again, not much money to be made off of consumers promoting ‘common sense’.

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What? This makes no sense.

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Right?

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@Pbase @G650

Please do not quote me and intentionally remove the context.

What I said was thar ppl who only come here to start an “internet argument” :roll_eyes: are not welcome here.

The post is for ppl it may help. If that isn’t you, move on.

Nobody invited “Please short down my throat if you don’t agree w this.”

If you’re taking sugar hits all the time, dependent, and maybe want another way, but everyone is telling you bacon is the same thing as cigarettes, this thread is for you.

If you hate it, just move on. Who invited you to poo on legitimate success, and my happiness from that, demand studies and all this stuff ?

I certainly didn’t.

I am trying to put out info that isn’t here.

If you don’t like it, move on.

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It seems self-awareness is not your strong suit.

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@Power13 I have enjoyed your contributions to the forum. I think many have.

I’m extremely self-aware, thank you. And I do not appreciate your comment.

After 42 years of being treated like an alien, I have finally been diagnosed as ASD.

I hope I can still interact w you, and others in this forum, with respect, friendliness, and love. To help each other grow.

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I don’t think many of these posts are being made in good faith

I don’t think you can seriously take such an argumentative tone, deliberately discard all counter evidence and studies, and then claim to be trying to help broaden the discussion

Further, I don’t think anyone in this thread is making the claims you say they are. You’ve created a straw man both about your success and what claims others have made

For instance, I don’t see anyone arguing that training 3 hours a week with your ftp should be fueling with heavy carbs but you seem to assume every piece of evidence presented is saying you should be simple because you’d reached that conclusion earlier

All of this adds up to a very disingenuous argument that I find is bordering on trolling. I agree that the thread should be closed

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Yes, whether intentional or not

Your language from the very beginning of this thread has been confrontational and your responses since have continued in that vein

I don’t think you want to have a reasonable discussion or debate on fueling, otherwise you would be responding with data and like for like studies rather than discounting the studies and data provided by others

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This topic is closed due to a large number of community flags.