. I forgot the 500 series models don’t use the touchscreen. You should feel lucky.
I’ve played with a buddies 830 touchscreen and like it.
On 1030 it’s terrible. They actually had major problems with it at the beginning and had to replace many units. I also feel the issue with 1030 is an undersized cpu as well as its software. I still have my 1000 and 1030. After using them all, I consider my 1030 a Jitterbug relative to my K2.
With the Hammerhead being basically a phone, is there a risk of it getting worse over time as it gets bloated (like your phone is made obsolete so quickly)?
Also, the SIM thing is the one massive selling point to me. Does it require a phone type hardware and Android OS to use a SIM, or is there a chance Garmin or Wahoo could implement the use of one in their next generation devices?
You can easily add LTE capability to just about any product. Some of my customers use small LTE radio modules like this one https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/453-00010/776-453-00010-ND/11617249 and it costs roughly $55 in small volumes. No Android OS required. Would be straightforward for Garmin or Wahoo or any company to add a module like that to an existing or new product.
every new Garmin device will be released with old technology, when BLT5 is standard, you can be sure they use an older 4.x chip and so on.
Or the Index S2 scale, you have to use batteries instead of withings rechargable scale and so on.
The funniest thing, Garmin is to stupid to handle the batterie load on Edge 830, everytime i switch off/on my Edge, again 2-3% battery is lost.
So if you switch off/on your Edge fifty times or so, the battery is empty!
even though they have basically good software, they keep screwing it up with unimaginably stupid bugs
I sold my Forerunner 945 for different reasons, but be honest, this new Beta option of Firmware is the best:
- Added the Resting Heartrate True-Up feature. RHR data now gets trued-up so that all devices tied to the same account will have the same RHR value.
So that means my calculated Recovery Time never worked since the beginning because they didn’t sync it via True-Up from FR945 to Edge 830
How long are this devices on the market?
to late for me to wait for fixes like this for years!
Bloating and Obsolete are two different things, bloating tend to happen because you install additional software and that’s sub systems are also installed (Like TrainerRoad install Electron on Windows devices), and these take up system resources, Obsolete, is more that the manufacturer doesn’t release software updates, my Fenix 6 won’t get as many (or any) updates, now that the Fenix 7 is released, but the lack of software updates doesn’t make it obsolete, my 820 doesn’t receive updates, but it still works fine as GPS (well, works fine is a bit of a stretch, it’s a 820) and will continue to do so for a long time
Karoo updates work on the 1 & 2, so it’ isn’t really comparible to Samsung e.t.c, where they are interested in getting you to the next phone, for older devices is sort of pulled, so newer software won’t work on older devices
I’ve owned an 830, when it was rather new on the market.
First impression was great. Owning it was a nightmare. Software bugs killed it for me, went to Bolt v2 when that came out and mostly happy ever since. Just my experience.
But there is no Pro Team with using Karoo2?
Is TR working on Outdoor workouts for Karoo2?
I am not sure, when i get a good price for my Edge 830 i will buy a Karoo2
Why does that matter ? There’s no pro team using Ultergra or 105? or 100mm stems
Just FYI though
it does not matter, but good to know !
Agree with this 100%. The K2 was great, so many awesome features. But the battery is a deal breaker unfortunately. Until they fix it, it’s a no from me.
I see the K2 as a Tesla with a range of 100 miles. Could it suit most of my driving? Sure. But it’s a massive limiter for me. Whereas my Garmin is a Hybrid Honda Civic. Reliable, amazing mileage, and I just don’t have to worry about it. Does it have all the flashy features? No, but I don’t need all of them when it drains the battery.
I’m not a fan of the SIM, especially when it’s a requirement for some of the features like Live Track. Just give me the option to link to my normal cell phone.
Entirely coincidental to the fact that Chris Froome was a shareholder I’m sure?
I only know Lance Amrstrong
Probably, I was answering the statement no “no pro teams use it”, probably all the Garmin teams use it becuase they are sponsered by Garmin, ride specialized because they are a streak holder in the team e.t.c e.t.c, I wouldn’t look at what a pro uses as a guide to what to buy (unless they are a steak holder in the company)
I’m about to order a Karoo 2, the new climber function sounds very interesting.
Somehow I still have concerns about Vector 3 pedals, the implementation doesn’t seem to be clean according to what you read in the Hammerhead forum.
Anyone here using Vector 3 with Karoo 2?
Will i miss my Edge 830 when i sell him?
You’ll probably miss the all-day battery life.
all-day Battery life is not important for me!
The climber function is great, really a nice implementation of that idea. The pull-up lap summary is also fun if you are working on sprints and want to see your top end speed between efforts or get a recap of your workout in progress.
A lot of little things are just easier for me to use, like the sensors menu being available from a pull down as opposed to being several layers deep on my Garmin. Not a big deal either way but kind of silly how many clicks it takes to do a zero offset on my Garmin.
The ability to quickly recalculate a route is also night and day different than my experience with Garmin. Almost instant re routing and continuous map display while doing it, compared to slow grind re load the entire route on my Garmin.
I’ve never used one of the top end Garmin models, just the 530, so maybe not a good direct comparison but very much enjoying the Karoo 2 so far. Some folks have spoken about maximum battery life and TR integration being important features for them available on Garmin but not HH and those are valid points. But the battery life isn’t as bad as some make it sound. I have yet to figure out how to arrange my life to ride more than 8 hours a day and don’t have an issue plugging it in between rides.
I have the Rally pedals and they work great.
For me also 8-10% battery life with navigation is great. It was similar with my old Edge1000, however my Garmin drained the battery more when using the map screen. I typically charge after every ride, but it would totally handle 2-3 of my usual rides without charging.
I like the fact that you can switch the unit off mid ride and when you power it on again the ride can be continued. This way even if my unit dies not everything is lost (I‘m not sure if Garmin recovers the ride, I’d hope it does).
Varia integration is also great. There is still a bug in the Varia control page because I have the German version with only one mode but I‘ve reported it and it will most likely get fixed very soon.
The phone pairing with iOS however is not that great yet. Sometimes it connects sometimes it doesn’t. Sometimes it says it is connected but I receive no notifications. My Garmin used to be more reliable in this regard but other than that I sometimes miss my Garmin but I also like my Karoo2 too much. I‘m looking forward to the successor of 1030plus/830 and probably get me one when available and enjoy both worlds.