Same list in the free version. It doesn’t appear that at the moment TrainingPeaks is distinguishing between paid / free for available metrics
In other words, TP free and paid provides a LOT of metric tracking. And you can do some interesting things, for example I’m recording Garmin aerobic and anaerobic training effect using Abdomen and Glutes.
My highest (least stressed) HRV in the last month was the day I came down with covid. Back to normal the next day, but sick for two weeks.
So I’ve been using Athlytic on my Apple Watch for a couple months now and although I don’t see it being able to tell me what my “best” day will be it does seem to do a pretty good job at dictating how I’ll feel on a ride.
If my recovery is low, for whatever reason (over-training, poor sleep, alcohol), and I ride my power output is lower and I feel it. On the other hand, if it’s higher, even considering factors that you think would negatively impact it, power output is higher and the ride feels better.
Not sure if I’d spend the money on a whoop (and I have Wahoo instead of Garmin) but for the $30 or so for a year that Athlytic is it’s more than worth it to me…at the very least, it helps me correlate what helps recovery vs hinders it.
I do a 120km ride and my watch says “recovery: 3 days”
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my thoughts are “are you new?^”
If it’s outside your baseline measurement, that’s still an indication something is up. Not everyone follows the HRV guidelines exactly. When I stop training even for a couple of days, my HRV goes way down. When I get back into it, my baseline ramps back up quickly. It’s about seeing what your normal is and then looking for times when it does strange things… then figure out why!
I do a 120km ride and I hear “time for a beer” before riding some more ![]()
I don’t know if my watch has a recovery advisor but my edge does and that’s usually nonsense ![]()
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My Garmin is finally telling me I have a VO2max and it’s been creeping up consistently. Obviously that means it’s 100% accurate and reliable thank you very much
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I do actually like the metrics so far and find them an informative guide.
I still haven’t quite worked out Garmin’s Training Load metric. Their verbage is around EPOC which doesn’t seem like a useful measure over seven days. I would have assumed it’d be linked to TSS/CTL but mine’s at 1400+ after seven days which is obviously not TSS
. So far I rate it. I need to feed it more data and watch how it learns and develops.
I mean, GIGO, right?
Ditto. The vivoactive is comical when it comes to predicting how much sleep I get but I feel like the body battery is really accurate.
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I feel, that using HRV / Resting HR tell you how well you recovery strategy is working, but most people don’t have a recovery strategy, and only look at the figure after the workout or on their edge (which doesn’t have all the data), have a beer, bad night sleep and when they feel stiff the next day, presume it was because of a hard workout
I’ve found HRV e.t.c a good guide to how my recovery strategy is working, I noticed that my recovery was decreasing recently, since the clock changes, so bough a black out blind, recovery improved
I really can’t work it out. For instance after a sleepless night when I first sync the vivioactive it’ll say something like 7 hours sleep which is a slight over estimate. It’ll then gradually after several syncs will rise to 8h which correlates with the hours I was in bed (but definitely not asleep). Then again it’ll gradually over the next hour of syncs rise to a plus 8h sleep which seems to include the time I spent sitting on the sofa before going to bed ![]()
Yup. That seems about right. ![]()
Same for me. Also not very good identifying the type of sleep. Had a Galaxy Watch for a short time and that looked way more like I was expecting it to look. Also really good at noticing the difference between laying in bed and actually sleeping.
On sleep, I’m hoping WatchOS 9’s changes improves my Apple watch’s sleep tracking.
My 530 has told me I needed 48 hours. Less than 1 day later, I felt zero fatigue, set some new PRs, got an FTP bump from the device, and then was told I needed 24 hours.
So my problem isn’t with not understanding the device’s messages. Mine is that the device rarely knows how hard I actually pushed myself (despite always wearing a HR strap and using a power meter). My problem is also that when I ignore the device and ride very hard before the recovery time is up, instead of compounding the total recovery needed, it can think I need less after 2 hard days than it did after only 1 hard day.
I find that looking at the HRV number and sleep score on my Whoop gives me a pretty good reading on my body’s situation regarding fatigue and overall “condition” for want of a better word. I use “condition” to describe that vague overall do I feel crappy or good and how much reserve might I have before I feel crappier than I do now question I tend to be always asking myself. I find the data to be really good at giving me useful insight into that and spotting trends. But, its never a “red light/green light” kind of thing. More like a traffic report that needs some interpretation based on experience driving that particular route every day.
While I do definitely take those readings into account over time, its pretty rare where I use them as the sole basis for deciding if I should do that day’s scheduled activities or not. I do occasionally back off based on my Whoop but more likely I use them to remind myself that I need to get to bed earlier or, that even though I don’t feel great, the numbers aren’t that bad and I should suck it up and get on with it.
One situation where I do really like the numbers is where non training stress is involved. HRV in particular tells me if I’m sick or, if a spate of traveling or work stress may have taken more out of me than I thought. Many of my lowest HRV and recovery scores have come after days with low or zero TSS…
