Data please.
Conclusion: all humans are susceptible to atherosclerosis; diet merely acts as a possible onset regulator.
People who follow a vegan lifestyle — strict vegetarians who try to eat no meat or animal products of any kind — may increase their risk of developing blood clots and atherosclerosis…
Once again, food – steak or carrot – isn’t the problem.
Maybe not the best one but I’m paraphrasing some Michael Gregor talks too. Perhaps I mistaken it up, but interesting to note anyway.
One thing to bear in mind with this, is that gaming it all is also bad, that would also have a severe determental effect on your health, and a boring arse. You have to enjoy what you eat, I eat a particular way, I like it, and it makes me happy. I’m also interested in new knowledge, science should be used where possible.
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How did people eat 100 or 200 or 500 years ago? Mainly meat? Reading some post it seems history has been reduced to the last 50 or 60 years where the generalised consumption of processed foods and also the exponential increase in meat and dairy products has occurred.
I’m changing my diet, not 100% vegan diet but close (I don’t like to use the term vegan in my case because I’m not) and excluding almost totally animal protein that for me it’s the real cause of some modern diseases.
It doesn’t matter if they are grass fed healthy animals or feed up by stacks of processed foods and are getting tons of antibiotics. Of course the latter are worse but just by eating animal protein (specially if in excess like before) I know I’m harming my body. I also know that meat and dairy industry causes a big damage to the environment. Not the only responsible but one of the biggest one’s and in this part I can contribute by not eating their products by both reasons. 1st and most important because of my health but also because its best for the planet.
Off course if you eat vegan junk food that’s also unhealthy. No more precessed shitty but tasty food for me. Eating a varied of unprocessed vegetables and fruits and seeds its my base and if properly cooked they taste really good.
Just to finish. Everybody is free to eat, live and die has he pleases but everybody also has to keep in mind what kind of planet are we leaving for our sons and next generations.
Please don’t pick up fights here on this subject. Some people will never change. Others will change only when they want to not because they’re told to.
Be healthy, be happy, be stronger! 
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I agree with everything else you said but I can’t find any data suggesting that animal protein by itself is bad for the body.
I do agree that almost all of us need to quit the processed food (including the processed meat) and consume more vegetables and whole foods.
And I have no pro-meat or pro-vegan agenda. I’ve been pushing my own diet towards plant based.
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I prefer to eat the rich.
#diet2020
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It’s clearly documented in “The China Study” and talked about in this and other documentaries.
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I had never heard of the china study and as I search I see that it is a book, not a study. Wikipedia says:
The China Study examines the link between the consumption of animal products (including dairy) and chronic illnesses such as coronary heart disease, diabetes, breast cancer, prostate cancer, and bowel cancer.[4] The authors conclude that people who eat a predominantly whole-food, plant-based diet—avoiding animal products as a main source of nutrition, including beef, pork, poultry, fish, eggs, cheese, and milk, and reducing their intake of processed foods and refined carbohydrates—will escape, reduce, or reverse the development of numerous diseases.
So I’d totally agree with that. Most people don’t eat enough vegetables, fiber, and phytonutrients.
My question is that if you are eating predominantly plant based meal and you eat along with it some high quality animal protein, how is that animal protein causing any harm?
It’s a study. The biggest ever made on nutrion impact on diseases like cancer, heart diseases etc. The study also gives name to a book we’re it’s conclusions are showed along with conclusions of other relevant but smaller studys and findings. All over the book you’ll find references to the impact of animal protein (casein) on diseases.
Just one example:
The effects of animal protein are part of a number of very famous studies, a good summary is here: animal protein | Health Topics | NutritionFacts.org igf 1 is the main bio trigger. The main work is here. Association of Animal and Plant Protein Intake With All-Cause and Cause-Specific Mortality - PubMed the only thing similar in plants is soy, but you would need to consume i think equivalent of 5 litres of soy a day to get the same elevated igf 1 levels.
More than one-third of MI patients have normal or even low serum cholesterol, and many patients with elevated LDL never manifest ASCVD, thus showing that increased serum LDL is not a necessary or sufficient cause of ASCVD
Meat doesn’t cause heart disease.
You have your info I have mine. We all believe what we want to believe.
what does then…because something is killing literally loads of people. So genuinely interested…what causes heart disease?
If all the biggest and brightest medical people in the world can’t come up with a cohesive and definitive answer, what makes you think I (or you) would know? 
What causes or what correlates with heart disease? AFAIK obesity and lack of exercise are far, far more significant than your diet.
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So if you don’t know what does, how can you state what doesn’t? You can’t have it both ways.
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It is easier to show absence of influence. E. g. if you can show that the correlations between two things, you know that there is also no causal relationship between these two. To show A causes B, you not only need to show a strong correlation between the two, but you also need to uncover a mechanism that explains the nature of cause and effect. Because two things can be correlated without being in a cause-effect relationship or there could be a common cause for A and B.
That’s one of the issues with studies how nutrition influences health outcomes: generally speaking, the absolute effect is rather small (even if the relative effect might not be). That’s very different when it comes to evidence that smoking causes cancer: the absolute effect is very strong, so it is easier to isolate it from other factors.
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I’m merely stating negatively (meat doesn’t…) what thus far isn’t prove positively (meat does…).
The magic word is ‘risk’. 
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