New road bike - 2021 riddle :)

You mention comfort as a priority and that you’re not particularly fit or flexible. All of the bikes mentioned are pretty agressive fit wise. If cold logic is what you’re relying on then forget those race bikes and look at an endurance road bike.
You’re list should not be madones and tcr’s and tarmacs

It should be Roubaix or Domane or Defy or something else in that category. For mere mortals like most of us its the bike we should be on. Of course, you’re on a forum about going faster so this might be the only response like this but I don’t believe we can be fast unless the bike fits us, we are comfortable and we actually want to ride the bike!

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Actualy I am working on my mobility and in my soon 40´s I am about to have the most “aggresive” (read low and narrow on the front) position I ever had and honestly that not only feels good, but inspires optimism that hopefuly I am not without potential and there are still gaines to be made :slight_smile: :metal:t2:
The “only” thing when I compare myself with those annoying pros and really fit people :smiley: (speaking only about the position), I just can´t get comfortable in the “breakaway” position - sitting on the regular position on the saddle, but having forearms laid close to the stem in a TT style. I call this position a “nutcracker” as I just can´t create enough space by rotating the pelvis and my “undercarriage” gets numb in 5 minutes :cold_sweat: So I have to push myself much more foreward when I sit really on the tip of the saddle on the left “sitbone” (dunno why just left, right feels super uncomfy) and shift much of my body over the bars…

So my riddle is over and I can officialy declare myself insane :smiley:
After a lot of mulling over, I simply could not justify to myself going for a “plastic” bike produced in mass in China with somewhat harsh ride - althought tests in magazines declares those bikes like “super comfortable”. But after riding shortly a SuperSix Evo, everything changed for me. Yeah, the acceleration is mind blowing, but I suddenly felt each and every crack of the tarmac. And so I understood I am simply lost, after so many years on titanium I just don´t want to go “plastic”…
And in this case, I will go much more local than I planned and this makes me really happy. Yes, I overshoot my budget for the frame about 3x which is crazy and will hurt badly my bank account. But after all, we do live only once, I will soon spend the biggest part of my income on my growing kids and this time, I take it is an investment into a long lasting frame and fork…
I comissioned a custom titanium frame made in UK :flushed: I just hope it could be around March, as there is R&D still on the way for this new model of this framebuilder and there is a queue, but I hope to have it for the Spring :slight_smile:

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Hey there,
I am really not sure what exactly you are looking for in a Bike. The Trek Emonda (not top build) is too heavy, a Trek Madone doesn’t test fast enough in the wind tunnel, but a Canyon Ultimate is „aerodynamic enough“.
I see a lot of subjectives here, which is absolutely fine. Just don‘t put it as „cold hard facts“ then. A Canyon Ultimate tests around 20 Watts slower than the most aerodynamic bikes at 45kph, while an Emonda/SL7 type bike tests only around 5-8 Watts slower. There is a rather significant difference there. Also, if you say you aren’t in the form you wish to be in, how much does one kilo of bike more or less matter really?
If the bike should also be usable for an ITT, get something that is decently aero and especially, that you can really fit a TT position on (most people can‘t find a good position on a roadbike when clipping on bars). You might also look at things like „upgradebility“, which is rather likely to find in a bike that uses standard 27.2mm seatpost and non-proprietary. What that does is you can choose any seat post (like the red shift one, which is great for TT/Tri (https://redshiftsports.com/pages/switch-aero-system) and any Extension system.

If this is not what you want, it makes sense to specify what you are really looking for in a bike…

Ok, interesting choice. Kind of underpins my „theory“ that you would rather take a very subjective decision after all, and not go with „cold hard facts“. Which is absolutely fine, I hope you’ll be very happy with your product.

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Yeah, you are right, after all it was a very subjective and emotional decision :slight_smile:

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Maybe you should try a different saddle. A shorter one perhaps. Maybe your bars are too low for that, maybe they are too far front.

Even better, get a professional bike fit. :slight_smile:

To put a bit of cold facts, I quickly looked for the Tour magazin tests - as far as I know the only one source with a consistent testing protocol… but I did not find numbers for the new Emonda :frowning:

Brand Model Watt
Cannondale SystemSix 203
Cervelo s5 205
S Venge 208
Canyon Aeroad 208
Pinarello Dogma F12 disc 209
S Tarmac sl7 210
Ridley Noah Fast Disc 212
Trek Madone 212
Canyon Ultimate 222
Rose Xlite six disc 225
Giant TCR Advanced SL 234
Trek Emonda 2019 239

You should definitely be able to ride in that position comfortably if racing is at all your aim and you are thinking about riding the bike for long tri events.
Bike fit is probably the best you can do, although my experiences with those are mixed.
I‘d definitely advice against bs, like tilting the saddle, that some people recommend.
However, solutions for your problem are myriad and probably a mix of many will do the Trick. Saddle fore and aft is something to look into, saddle height and saddle to handlebar drop. These will also effect your reach, just like the length of your stem.
Most importantly, you need to be in that position to work on it. Flexibility and core strength training can do wonders to your comfort.

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So just the cold facts, in my point of view, Madone is not as good as the best aero bikes. New Tarmac really is a very strong allrounder, faster than Madone…and Ultimate is in an objective view quite slower than his big brother Aeroad… honestly if my choise wouldn´t have been custom Ti, new Aeroad with it´s more user-friendly geometry and a bit more compliance would seem like a real candidate…

Yeah, good point and that is why I booked a bike fitting session :wink:
Otherwise I made a lot of experimenting with so many saddles from Specialized, SMP and many others and now I am on the Bontrager Aeolus which is the best I found so far…

Don‘t know where some of these numbers are from, but some are certainly incorrect. This is the official results from their recent testing (I bought the mag, so I am very certain these are real):


HOWEVER, take all of these with a grain of salt. Don‘t believe any statistics you haven’t tempered with yourself. You can hardly take any of these at face value.
For example: between 2017 and 2019, all bike tests where done with standardized wheels (ZIPP 404 Firecrest), to only have the frame results. When considering, that frame manufacturers now develop wheels and wheel concepts to work with their frames (Rapide for SL7, Hollowgrams for Sy6, narrow wide for new Aeroad), then it is detrimental if tour changes things around. Also, how these results translate to real world results, is highly questionable.
Also, very importantly, not all bikes are specced as they should be.
All bikes in this test have disc brakes, but the Pinarello Dogma F12 (211 Watts). Disc brakes usually cost you 3 to 5 watts in a wind tunnel at 45kph, so it gives a „too good result“ in comparison to the other bikes here.
The result of for the Madone smelled foul on face value, and that is because it is:

The bike they used has a non-stock stem/ bar combo that isn’t fully integrated, has 28c tires (that alone probably costs 2-3 watts) and is also the largest frame in the test at size 58. All the other bikes in the test are size 56/Medium, and the Ridley and the Eddy Merckx are even Small. What the f?
They say it is because Pedersen is a tall rider and rides a large frame, but this clearly isn’t Pedersens bike. Firstly, I think he rides a 56, and then, this has 48/35 chain ring, while Pedersen rides a 54/41 for flat races and a 52/39 for hilly ones.
So, really really f‘ing difficult to compare.

The SL7 did the same test at 210W (with it‘s deep wheels and standard spec hand bar/tires etc, obviously playing to its advantage). I am in good contact with a German pro cycling team (not WT) and they recently did aero testing on climbing bikes, and found that the Trek Emonda (2021) with integrated cockpit and their sponsored wheels (I think they use the 50mm DT Swiss) tested marginally slower (2 or 3 watts) than the SL7 S-Works with stock cockpit on the same wheels. Don’t know how the protocols compare, but that is the best I know.