Doping, Your Thoughts Experiences Opinions

Uh, ok? I don’t think anyone said that.

Rebagliati was born in Vancouver, British Columbia. After turning pro in 1991, he was the first ever to win an Olympic gold medal for Men’s Snowboarding at the 1998 Winter Olympics. After winning the gold, he was found to have Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in his circulatory system following a blood test and he was automatically disqualified. This decision was eventually overturned, largely on the basis that marijuana was not on the list of banned substances, and Rebagliati was given back the medal.

from Wikipedia

FYI, weed might act as a PED if it helps relieve mental anxiety and puts you in the “Flow” state.

While making sure to not incriminate myself in front of my employer, I doubt any “flow” state weed could hypothetically put me in would enhance my performance on a bike, especially in a race environment. :wink:

How would you know? :thinking:

But, but boss, I only shredded and dominated… I didn’t inhale… :wink:

Nothing really to add here other than there exists an excellent documentary on this topic on Netflix right now. ICARUS. If you haven’t seen it yet I highly encourage you to do so. Quite astonishing.

I think a clear distinction needs to be made between controlled medical use of cannabis and the stuff that has high levels of THC.

Cannabis use by young people has been linked to mental health issues and impaired brain development, and it has been shown to exacerbate mental health issues in those with underlying MH conditions.

There are different PEDs for different needs. Golfers take drugs to control the “Yipps” on the greens when they are putting. This PED would likely not improve your cycling performance but it suits their performance needs. Is it ethical if you take a drug to control your mental state if you are not able to control the anxiety without? And thus you win golf tournaments that you could not under your natural state of mind control. Physical PEDs are no different than mental PEDs if it affects your sporting results.

Watched it last week, great documentary/movie. Interesting that he placed worse a year later at the same event after a full regimen of doping. Aside from that it’s depressing to see state sponsored doping that the Russians were/are doing. It also shows that doping will ALWAYS exsist, so better to just wrap your mind around it. You can only control yourself and take pride in the fact that your accomplishments are earned clean and thru grit.

I wouldn’t call WADA on any of them, maybe inform the race organizer on the ones that are having an impact on race results and let them handle it they way they want to.

Follow up questions:

  1. Is this a medical necessity, or are they doing it to improve performance?
  2. Is this a stoner? Or someone looking to increase their on the bike pain threshold?
  3. Have I confronted them about the TRT use and their knowing admission that is is wrong? If yes I’d go to race organizer.
  4. I’d inform them what they are doing is wrong and while ignorance isn’t an excuse I’d let it go, unless it continues, then I’d go to the race organizer.

I am 61 man and race TT’s in the 60 to 64 age group. I got into road riding 4 years ago to get fit and then one thing led to another. Big climbs, GranFondo got a coach and started racing.

Coaching, power meters, nutrition, bicycles etc. It all feeds my obsession to get better. And it has worked. People I work with have told me that I look younger at 61 than I did at 51. With that in mind I could easily see the appeal of using something to take another step. If beet extract is legal and it has a positive effect how is it different from anything else? And I think there is a mind set , especially for the non competitive athlete looking to “turn back time”, of “Who am I hurting”?

Now that I compete I see it differently than I did before competing. What I want is a level playing field within the rules. I moved out of racing the “Eddie” class and into the TT class because I wanted to race within my own age group. I want to know how I stack up against my peers as well as against myself.

So if in my quest to “turn back time” I were to use a drug banned from competition I would have to stop racing. That would not change my ability to chase a Strava KOM or impress at the local group ride. Who knows, that might play out in the future.

So if you race, the rules are the rules. Obey! If you’re an old guy like me trying to have a great quality of life for as long as I can, well you have other options. Just be real to yourself and others around you.

They both alter your chemistry, thus there is only PED (no qualifier required).

I’ve always found it difficult to pin down the line where things become ‘cheating’ or ‘doping’ rather than optimising your situation.

Living/training at altitude also alters your chemistry compared to living at sea level but is entirely legal in racing.

Why is it difficult? If it’s in the rule book as a ‘no no’, then it’s cheating if you imbibe.

I was thinking about the ethical line rather than the rules of competition. Some people are obviously uncomfortable with the use of entirely legal TUEs.

Ethics are already baked into the rules of competition. If it’s legal, go for it; if it’s illegal, don’t do it. Period. :+1:

I think there’s a rule around “in the spirit of sport” or something like that. That’s a catch all for doing unethical stuff that they don’t have a specific rule about.

As I get older - into my 60s and beyond - I can see myself considering HGH and testosterone treatment. Just like I can see myself riding an ebike.

But I won’t race in any competitive events if I do.

That comes from 1 of 3 criteria how WADA determines whether a substance is an illegal PED. I’m paraphrasing:

  1. Does it gives an athlete an unfair advantage.

  2. Is it deemed harmful to humans.

  3. Does it violate the meaning of “in the spirit of sport”.

IIRC if the substance violates two of the three then it goes on the list.

Totally.

But you can always compete in e-sports…or is that something totally different? :wink: