# Zwift "Premium", TR Merger or Add-In speculation **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [January 14, 2022, 9:26pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765 "2022-01-14T21:26:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 6:52pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1220 "2022-02-08T18:52:15Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/8/a/8a15581106750219e81ab0c6681e72e09ced5f6d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![fastk9dad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/fastk9dad/32/235_2.png) [@fastk9dad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/fastk9dad)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 7:13pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1221 "2022-02-08T19:13:27Z")
I’ve been following this thread, analyzing any and all data points, developing time lines, etc. and here is my complete analysis: This is all just an elaborate setup for their next April fools joke. 🤣 I’m still bitter that the Chillow was not a real thing. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Joelrivera](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/joelrivera/32/145557_2.png) [@Joelrivera](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Joelrivera)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1222 "2022-02-08T19:18:25Z")
I love long setup on jokes! Hope this one is good! ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Russell\_Racing](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jack_russell_racing/32/2201_2.png) [@Jack\_Russell\_Racing](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Jack_Russell_Racing)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 8:43am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1223 "2022-02-09T08:43:25Z")
So a rabbi, priest, and mullah walk into a bar… ---
**Author:** ![simon-trimon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/simon-trimon/32/12908_2.png) [@simon-trimon](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/simon-trimon)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 8:44am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1224 "2022-02-09T08:44:37Z")
The bar just happens to be in Reno and they all follow Nate on Strava? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Russell\_Racing](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jack_russell_racing/32/2201_2.png) [@Jack\_Russell\_Racing](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Jack_Russell_Racing)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 8:50am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1225 "2022-02-09T08:50:04Z")
In a crazy twist, Nate is actually the bartender! Anyway, this _other_ person is already sitting at the bar when our three relgious-cyclists arrive. That person, wearing an odd orange-colored suit turns to the rabbi and says, “שמי אריק.” ---
**Author:** ![simon-trimon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/simon-trimon/32/12908_2.png) [@simon-trimon](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/simon-trimon)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 8:52am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1226 "2022-02-09T08:52:52Z")
😲 ---
**Author:** ![Simo429](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/simo429/32/1784_2.png) [@Simo429](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Simo429)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 9:13am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1227 "2022-02-09T09:13:04Z")
I do wonder if this speculation if it doesn’t happen will negatively effect TR Over the last couple of days on facebook I have seen people ask the normal question of what indoor training programme is best and quite a few replies have been ‘well TR is being bought by zwift so there’s no point bothering with TR’ ---
**Author:** ![fastk9dad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/fastk9dad/32/235_2.png) [@fastk9dad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/fastk9dad)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 12:22pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1228 "2022-02-09T12:22:08Z")
Well thats just silly for people to be responding like that. Maybe Eric heard about Nate’s air fryer mad skillz and was in town for a personal demo and then they kicked back over some fries and laughed at all the possible rumors that were about to start. 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Power13](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/power13/32/92171_2.png) [@Power13](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Power13)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 1:11pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1229 "2022-02-09T13:11:25Z")
> [@Simo429](#): > > quite a few replies have been ‘well TR is being bought by zwift so there’s no point bothering with TR That is just stoopid….regardless of any potential buyout, TR is still a fantastic training program and it is not going to change anytime soon. ---
**Author:** ![TooManyDogs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/toomanydogs/32/98121_2.png) [@TooManyDogs](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/TooManyDogs)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 1:13pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1230 "2022-02-09T13:13:44Z")
Well that’s the internet. Things get posted and some people just take it as fact ---
**Author:** ![andrewkellogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b4bc9f/32.png) [@andrewkellogg](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/andrewkellogg)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1231 "2022-02-09T14:23:46Z")
Every piece of consumer software from a small company that I’ve used has turned to garbage once the company has been bought out. If TR can remain nominally independent under the zwift umbrella with minimal loss of leadership, then that is a win for everyone. The worry is that TR is rolled into zwift, key personnel leave either because they get a nice windfall or because they don’t like the new corporate culture, TR stagnates while the TR team has to focus on zwift integration or that zwift corporate culture kills what the TR focus on continually improving the product with great customer service ---
**Author:** ![Power13](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/power13/32/92171_2.png) [@Power13](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Power13)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 2:48pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1232 "2022-02-09T14:48:40Z")
> [@andrewkellogg](#): > > Every piece of consumer software from a small company that I’ve used has turned to garbage once the company has been bought out. No argument from me…my point is that the software doesn’t turn to schitt once the ink is on the paper. So saying there is “no point” to TR since Zwift may be buying them is just dumb. I doubt you will see a single change to the TR platform for at lest a year. ---
**Author:** ![Mowag](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mowag/32/12895_2.png) [@Mowag](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Mowag)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 4:14pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1233 "2022-02-09T16:14:50Z")
I assume the point is, that we maybe want to see change. AT recognizing training stimulus from unstructured fartlek rides just to name one. I for one hope that TR won‘t stop trying to amaze (not that I wasn‘t fine eithe the product as is) ---
**Author:** ![hubcyclist](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/hubcyclist/32/14363_2.png) [@hubcyclist](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/hubcyclist)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 4:16pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1234 "2022-02-09T16:16:53Z")
> [@fastk9dad](#): > > I’m still bitter that the Chillow was not a real thing. there actually was a product called the chillow, it was something in sky mall and my wife had one years ago, it was literally a pillow sized ice pack ---
**Author:** ![TooManyDogs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/toomanydogs/32/98121_2.png) [@TooManyDogs](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/TooManyDogs)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 4:44pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1235 "2022-02-09T16:44:19Z")
> [@Power13](#): > > No argument from me…my point is that the software doesn’t turn to schitt once the ink is on the paper. So saying there is “no point” to TR since Zwift may be buying them is just dumb. I doubt you will see a single change to the TR platform for at lest a year. Agreed. As as legacy users locked in at the $99 price point I’d gladly pay the $189 if it would guarantee TR remained independent for at least 5 years. But obviously you that’s not reality. I’m just not a big fan of the “big guys” gobbling up “little guys”. I’d rather see somebody like RGT Cycling collaborate with TR to narrow the competition gap with Zwift. ---
**Author:** ![Alen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alen/32/4820_2.png) [@Alen](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Alen)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 5:15pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1236 "2022-02-09T17:15:16Z")
> [@TooManyDogs](#): > > Agreed. As as legacy users locked in at the $99 price point I’d gladly pay the $189 if it would guarantee TR remained independent for at least 5 years. But obviously you that’s not reality. Well I’m not sure I would. I already pay 180$ for Zwift. $100 for TR. $120 for TP because the calendar hasn’t been finished for triathletes. AT doesn’t work well for triathletes. And it’s not that difficult to make a plan with 1 VO2, 1 SS, 1 tempo, and 1 long ride. I don’t see what I would be paying for. Only reason I haven’t cancelled is because $100 is not a big hit. ---
**Author:** ![bobmac](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bobmac/32/14386_2.png) [@bobmac](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/bobmac)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1237 "2022-02-09T18:09:01Z")
> [@Alen](#): > > Only reason I haven’t cancelled is because $100 is not a big hit. Similar logic to triathletes, AT as it exists brings no value to long time self-coached and externally athletes. And to make matters worse, TR does not seem interested in our needs (e.g. WC2.0, advanced metrics, etc). Similar to you, I purchase TP Premium plus WKO5, and at $99, TR is reasonable as a workout player with access to the workouts I have created and some from the TR library. However, I am really excited about (maybe too much so?) the long term possibilities from a Zwift acquisition of TR. In particular, Zwift subscribers include a large # of self-coached and externally coached athletes. Under such scenario, hopefully Nate would expand his “North Star” to embraces this group and bring necessary functionality to market. And under such scenario, I would gladly pay full price with the commensurate Zwift (TR training) functionality. ---
**Author:** ![Deleteme](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/deleteme/32/12895_2.png) [@Deleteme](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Deleteme)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 7:09pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1238 "2022-02-09T19:09:01Z")
> [@TooManyDogs](#): > > Agree. TR is great. But I don’t find the Zwift workout mode UI particularly lacking. Although it is kind of buggy. I’ve been bounced out of workout edits, I’ve also had some interval times tweaked by an unseen minion that subtracts 5 minutes of a random interval, and it distracts me. Sometimes it’s on an interval set, throwing off the whole set. But the crashing out of an edit is a PITA! It seems a little better lately, but one workout, I kept getting bounced out of and having to go back in. Very frustrating. I also had a bug where a workout would load randomly. I’d choose a workout, and it would load the last workout I did, not that one. That bug didn’t happen often, but it was a surprise. It hasn’t happened in quite a while. And I have reproduced TR workouts on Zwift, tweaking them to fit my goals better. I have a ton of workouts in Zwift. It’s about all I ride there when there isn’t anything else going on. But there are so many times when I don’t want to game, I want to ride and watch movies/TV, read books, etc… Zwift is like a kids game, and TR is like an adult pain session, and I value them both. Adding TR to Zwift would be kind of a nonstarter for me. Why doesn’t Zwift hire some better exercise physiologists and sports trainers and make their own workouts they offer better? Wouldn’t it be cheaper to do that? ---
**Author:** ![DaveQB](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/daveqb/32/617_2.png) [@DaveQB](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/DaveQB)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 2:00am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/zwift-premium-tr-merger-or-add-in-speculation/67765/1239 "2022-02-11T02:00:50Z")
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