# Write down changes you want to the outside workout experience here. šŸ‘‡šŸ‘‡šŸ‘‡ **URL:** \ **Category:** TrainerRoad Software\ **Created:** [November 14, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089 "2024-11-14T19:29:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Nate\_Pearson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/nate_pearson/32/117463_2.png) [@Nate\_Pearson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Nate_Pearson)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/1 "2024-11-14T19:29:23Z")
I had a thread about how we will automatically sync workouts to all of your connected training platforms, and some people asked for changes to doing workouts on Garmin/Wahoo. Can people write down what theyā€™d like in this thread or say what issues they have? That will help us collect them and prioritize them. The timing to get them done would be early spring. ---
**Author:** ![ArHu74](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/arhu74/32/177458_2.png) [@ArHu74](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ArHu74)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/2 "2024-11-14T19:39:29Z")
Simplicity of workouts, simple steady intervals, no x+1% x-1% intervals but also all sets being same. No stepped ramps but easy z2. Warmup and cooldown need to be equal length. And the flexibility to do work intervals a little bit later (or earlier) (more a workout level 2 sort of thing) ---
**Author:** ![megsambit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/megsambit/32/25226_2.png) [@megsambit](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/megsambit)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/3 "2024-11-14T19:44:40Z")
Most of the time, Iā€™d like a shorter-term power report than the full lap interval. Maybe 10-second power? If I have a surprise downhill section in the middle of a long threshold interval or something, the shorter averaging would make it a lot easier to make sure I got back on track correctly. ---
**Author:** ![BrianSpang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/brianspang/32/142368_2.png) [@BrianSpang](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/BrianSpang)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/4 "2024-11-14T20:11:47Z")
Deleted. I see this will be addressed by another upgrade šŸ‘šŸ¼ ---
**Author:** ![Stevie\_Dee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/stevie_dee/32/162626_2.png) [@Stevie\_Dee](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Stevie_Dee)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/5 "2024-11-14T20:13:50Z")
Exactly what I would like as well. ---
**Author:** ![BrianSpang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/brianspang/32/142368_2.png) [@BrianSpang](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/BrianSpang)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 8:14pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/6 "2024-11-14T20:14:16Z")
> [@ArHu74](#): > > no x+1% x-1% intervals This. ---
**Author:** ![kevistraining](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/kevistraining/32/171237_2.png) [@kevistraining](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/kevistraining)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/7 "2024-11-14T20:18:25Z")
Regarding Garmins showing lap average instead of 3s average on the default workout data screenā€¦ This is down to the ā€œtarget typeā€ TrainerRoad have chosen for the Garmin export. Trainerroad have chosen the ā€œTARGET\_TYPEā€ to be "POWER\_LAPā€ but I think it would be better if they chose ā€œPOWER\_3sā€ instead. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/e/0/e0c7912f9f1c01d240dc322983948178156b00b2.png) This has no affect at all on how the power is recorded or prescribed - just how it is compared to the target. I do admit this is a matter of opinion. However, I would argue that the 3s ā€œTARGET\_TYPEā€ would be more useful to more people and is more in-line with the ethos of completing intervals that TrainerRoad promote in their literature and on the Podcast - which has always been to stay as close to the target power as you can throughout the length of an interval and not chase the average. My assumption is that this has ended up this way because Garminā€™s documentation explaining what ā€œtarget\_typeā€ actually does is terrible and the guys and gals at TR didnā€™t realise what the impact would beā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![TravisM](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/travism/32/163409_2.png) [@TravisM](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/TravisM)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 9:02pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/8 "2024-11-14T21:02:14Z")
Iā€™d prefer workouts on Wahoo Headunits to display an exact power target instead of a range. Its easier to read on the Wahoo unit with a single number. Displaying a range makes the numbers very small. My headunit defintely doesnā€™t beap at me if Iā€™m on/off target wattage. Iā€™d have to double check if thatā€™s a setting Iā€™ve changed, but I donā€™t think it is. It does have the lights on the side of the unit that change color when youā€™re on/off target. ---
**Author:** ![ArHu74](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/arhu74/32/177458_2.png) [@ArHu74](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ArHu74)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 9:16pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/9 "2024-11-14T21:16:16Z")
Very much not so! ---
**Author:** ![svens](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/svens/32/118037_2.png) [@svens](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/svens)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/10 "2024-11-14T21:36:41Z")
This is one of the reasons why I use intervals.icu workout creator and not choosing workouts from TR library even if I am TR user. This plus more descriptive naming schema like Z2/180, SS/4x20, etc. ---
**Author:** ![unstoppable](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/unstoppable/32/18993_2.png) [@unstoppable](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/unstoppable)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/11 "2024-11-14T21:36:55Z")
Yes, agreed - Iā€™m always trying to ride to the top of the range (or above) rather than the middle. I donā€™t always manage that but I do try šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![mtbjones](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mtbjones/32/12895_2.png) [@mtbjones](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mtbjones)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 10:41pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/12 "2024-11-14T22:41:07Z")
IIRC, when outdoor workouts were first released they didnā€™t always match the indoor workout. Usually they were a little longer but that affected the intervals too. There was an uproar on the forum so TR quickly moved to an exact workout match. I do agree with you though! ---
**Author:** ![averypeterson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/averypeterson/32/154356_2.png) [@averypeterson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/averypeterson)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 2:58am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/13 "2024-11-15T02:58:49Z")
For me, it would be great too have the option to do the exact version of the TR indoor workout from my garmin head unit on my indoor trainer instead of the outdoor version of the workout. Also +1 for 3s power target type. ---
**Author:** ![cbounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/cbounds/32/19492_2.png) [@cbounds](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/cbounds)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 5:34am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/14 "2024-11-15T05:34:04Z")
Ooh disagree. I like that over my garmin which loves to alert Iā€™m low even though itā€™s by 1 watt šŸ˜‚ ---
**Author:** ![cbounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/cbounds/32/19492_2.png) [@cbounds](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/cbounds)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 5:41am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/15 "2024-11-15T05:41:35Z")
I do 90% of my rides outside and Iā€™ll say my only request is to have the warmup broken up. I donā€™t like 154-290 for 15 mins wouldnā€™t mind seeing 5 mins at 154. 5 mins at 220 or whatever and so on. But thatā€™s me. I tend to ride easy for that time. ---
**Author:** ![OwenL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/owenl/32/12908_2.png) [@OwenL](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/OwenL)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 9:51am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/16 "2024-11-15T09:51:42Z")
If I donā€™t have my power meter on one of my bikes I.e my cross bike, Iā€™d like to have a way of either seeing what RPE I should be doing or (preferably, although I know the cons of this) having a HR option instead. % of max HR for X minutes. Itā€™s not perfect but Iā€™d like/use It. ---
**Author:** ![kevistraining](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/kevistraining/32/171237_2.png) [@kevistraining](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/kevistraining)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 10:09am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/17 "2024-11-15T10:09:48Z")
> [@ArHu74](#): > > Simplicity of workouts, simple steady intervals, no x+1% x-1% intervals Half agreeā€¦ Unfortunately I think there will be 2 camps of people here - people who want the workouts to be identical to the workout they would do on the native player and others who want the workouts to be modified so that they make more sense on the target player. Personally I think there might need to be a toggle in the settings somewhere: Send Exact Workout = Workout is always EXACTY the same - warts and all Send Optimised Workout = Problematic workouts are identified and have a pre-selected alternative workout sent in its place. Would require a bit of work by TR developers to set up but I think it would be worth it to please everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Bhofstra](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bhofstra/32/122890_2.png) [@Bhofstra](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Bhofstra)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 10:26am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/18 "2024-11-15T10:26:32Z")
Making sure workouts have the ā€œpress lap to proceedā€ before next set, this makes sure you can be in the correct spot on a road vs having it jump straight into the next set at an inconvenient location. Most of the outdoor workouts have this but others randomly donā€™t and it throws me off when it jumps into the next set not being used to it ---
**Author:** ![svens](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/svens/32/118037_2.png) [@svens](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/svens)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 11:07am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/19 "2024-11-15T11:07:39Z")
Outdoors those somewhat complicated workouts does not make much sense. Lets take [Cotorra](https://www.trainerroad.com/app/cycling/workouts/1056436-cotorra) as example: - seeing word Cotorra in workout name means nothing (except to Spanish speakers or ornithologists or TR users who like this particular workout very much) - describing this workout in compact way: ā€œSS93/18 + SS94/19 + SS93/18 + SS94/19ā€ is not so compact after all and body knows no difference anyway - but doing ā€œSS94/4x18ā€ or ā€œSS93/4x19ā€ or ā€œSS/4x20ā€ is compact, self-descriptive and can be executed with nothing but RPE+timer and for body it is all the same. ---
**Author:** ![kevistraining](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/kevistraining/32/171237_2.png) [@kevistraining](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/kevistraining)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 11:16am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089/20 "2024-11-15T11:16:28Z")
> [@svens](#): > > Outdoors those somewhat complicated workouts does not make much sense. Totally agree - I assume they are like that to add variation for people running ERG - but totally unneccessary for outdoors. Also, not ideal for Zwift workouts having arches every couple of meters! [Next page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/write-down-changes-you-want-to-the-outside-workout-experience-here/98089.md?page=2)