Why are some outdoor workouts different than their indoor counterpart?

So this is a question I’ve been sitting on for awhile, and could not find an answer on the forums. Today I am scheduled to do Taylor -2, and wanted to take this one outside. Because I have more time on my hands lately, I wanted to add in some additional volume, so I decided to do Taylor instead. However, when you schedule Taylor as an outdoor workout, instead of 3x20 min 30/30’s @120% it subs in 2 sets of 5x4 minute Vo2 max efforts. Meanwhile Taylor -2 swaps over fairly seamless from indoor to outdoor.

Of course this led me to do some further digging, and found a somewhat suitable replacement by doing Gendarme 1.5 times, (2x20 30/30’s at 120%) which swaps over the same indoor vs. outdoor.

I’ve also noticed this with some longer efforts too, as wright peak (3x30 sweet spot), becomes Sylvania (3x20 with a 30 second sprint at the start) when converted to outside, and wright peak +2 (4x30 SS) becomes Marcus Baker (6x18 SS).

Just curious what the rationale is for the differences between indoor and outdoor workouts, especially when there

I noticed this to… Very curious .

Each outdoor workout needs to be manually created based on the existing indoor workout in order to have an exact one-to-one outdoor replacement version. Our Support Team has gone through and made these one-to-one replacements for every workout that is part of a TrainerRoad training plan, and we have a list we are working through of the workouts that remain.

Those workouts that do not have a one-to-one designation have a one-to-many outdoor equivalent. This means that one outdoor workout pairs to many indoor workouts that focus on a similar energy system. While this is not an optimal solution, it does allow us more flexibility while we complete the remaining one=to-one outdoor workout equivalents.

Let me know if you have any more questions :slight_smile:


Thanks for the response!


Semi-related question, though, I figured there was no point in spinning up a new thread.

I did ‘Denali -1’ today setup as an Outside Workout synced to my Garmin. The instructions on TR for doing outside workouts implied that the initial 6-minute warm-up piece was to be used as the ‘get to a safe place’ type warm-up, which wouldn’t advance until lap was pressed. Logical.

However, when I synced it to the Edge 830, the workout structure in that when previewed indicated it was time-based and would auto-advance after that first 6-minute warm-up (versus lap button based).

Was I misunderstanding what the Edge 830 was trying to say? Or was this workout tagged wrong? I ended up not wanting to risk it, and simply edited that step on the Edge itself to be lap-button based so I’d have time to get where I was going.


Washington turns into Ankerdine. So a 4x7 min suprathreshold to a 3x12 minute under/over.

I get what Bryce is saying though. Washington is so straight forward that I could just go outside and do that workout without sending it to the Garmin, but I’d love to see it closer to 1/1.

I’m posting this because I’m going to be using more outdoor workouts and would love to see these all get lined up, and I think more TR users should be doing outdoor workouts.


After taking a break from some structure, it’s time to get back on it with a build phase. One of the things I like about the indoor counterparts is the quick visual reference we get with the big blue blocks, a quick way to see what kind of workout we’ll be doing that day, or later in the week. I wonder how many others would find having the same visual cue for outdoor workouts laid out in the workout description and calendar. Since I’ve pushed all my training outdoors now, it’s just the work out name, then I have to look at the description to see what I’ll actually be doing. Not a huge deal but a small thing that could make planning out a week a little easier.

@Bryce, thanks for your time here as always.

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Hey there!

We actually have an existing feature request on this topic over in this thread:

I’ve personally brought this up to the team, and while it’s certainly a good idea, it is not scheduled for development at the moment due to other major projects in the pipeline. As projects are completed and resources free up, we will have more flexibility to work on smaller projects like these :slight_smile:


Thanks for the response, look forward to all new projects big and small.