# What to do with layers **URL:** \ **Category:** Equipment\ **Created:** [March 9, 2024, 4:14pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668 "2024-03-09T16:14:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mikeferguson1980](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mikeferguson1980/32/3532_2.png) [@Mikeferguson1980](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Mikeferguson1980)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 4:14pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/1 "2024-03-09T16:14:23Z")
The weather here in Arizona is wonderful during the day but cold in the morning and I can’t find a good solution for where to put a jacket and gloves if I start early. I’ve tried a few things but my jacket is too big for my jersey pockets and even a frame bag I’ve tried. Thanks!! ---
**Author:** ![KWcycling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/kwcycling/32/72152_2.png) [@KWcycling](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/KWcycling)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 4:16pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/2 "2024-03-09T16:16:02Z")
Arm warmers, wind breaker vest (not jacket). Leg warmers if you really need it. You should be able to easily roll arm warmers and a vest to fit into a standard cycling jersey back pocket. ---
**Author:** ![Pbase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/pbase/32/969_2.png) [@Pbase](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Pbase)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/3 "2024-03-09T16:18:46Z")
Where I live, the answer is more thin layers instead of big layers. For example, instead of a big jacket, I’ll wear a base, a SS or LS jersey, and a wind vest. Kind of depends on the weather where you are though. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Conductor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/the_conductor/32/86049_2.png) [@The\_Conductor](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/The_Conductor)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:07pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/4 "2024-03-09T18:07:46Z")
If you need a wind jacket, get the [Patagonia Houdini](https://www.patagonia.com/product/mens-houdini-windbreaker-jacket/24142.html). Not cycling specific but it’ll break the wind like no other and packs down to the size of a tube. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_M](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mike_m/32/166706_2.png) [@Mike\_M](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Mike_M)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/5 "2024-03-09T18:17:59Z")
Get one of those large burrito bar bags to add to your setup for the cool morning training days. ---
**Author:** ![sasa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/sasa/32/22910_2.png) [@sasa](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/sasa)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 6:27pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/6 "2024-03-09T18:27:12Z")
Not necessarily the solution you’re looking for, but if my jersey pockets are full, I’ve been known to tuck a jacket or vest under the top part of my jersey, below the neck. Looks silly but works fine … only issue on hot days is that you’ll sweat through the jacket, so if you need it for a later descent, you can count on it being wet. ---
**Author:** ![AlphaDogCycling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alphadogcycling/32/13863_2.png) [@AlphaDogCycling](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/AlphaDogCycling)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 9:43pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/7 "2024-03-09T21:43:44Z")
Do the pro thing and stuff in under you jersey - lower back where the pockets are ---
**Author:** ![alexgold123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alexgold123/32/1265_2.png) [@alexgold123](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/alexgold123)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 9:50pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/8 "2024-03-09T21:50:50Z")
I just use sensible options like the ortleib waterproof ‘saddle bag’ range - small for a rain jacket etc and the large for a full puffy jacket and more 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TrekCentury](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/trekcentury/32/123801_2.png) [@TrekCentury](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/TrekCentury)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/9 "2024-03-09T22:06:01Z")
I have tied things around my bars and stem. May not be aero but it works for me. Doubles as a Garmin warmer. ---
**Author:** ![Mikeferguson1980](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mikeferguson1980/32/3532_2.png) [@Mikeferguson1980](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Mikeferguson1980)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2024, 3:22am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/10 "2024-03-10T03:22:13Z")
I have one but not big enough for my XL winter jacket ---
**Author:** ![jlsazart](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jlsazart/32/12908_2.png) [@jlsazart](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/jlsazart)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2024, 3:35am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/11 "2024-03-10T03:35:05Z")
What part of the state? This morning, vest and warmers and gloves. All fit in the pockets by 11 a.m. ---
**Author:** ![Mikeferguson1980](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mikeferguson1980/32/3532_2.png) [@Mikeferguson1980](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Mikeferguson1980)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2024, 3:43am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/12 "2024-03-10T03:43:26Z")
I just ordered a bag like this, I think that will be perfect for what I’m trying to do ---
**Author:** ![ArHu74](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/arhu74/32/177458_2.png) [@ArHu74](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ArHu74)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2024, 5:06am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/13 "2024-03-10T05:06:22Z")
I got the sportful hotpack, looking at the pic the material seems to be the same but the hotpack is cycling specific though the hotpack is not the most aero jacket. I often bring my hotpack with me on daytrips because it is so small and packs so easily but maybe I should get the Houdini too for that > **[Sportful hot pack 6 windjack fluo geel](https://cyclewear.eu/sportful-hot-pack-6-windjack-fluo-geel.html)** > > Licht stretch waterafstotend en winddicht materiaal > Minimale naden aan de voorkant om te voorkomen dat de regen binnendringt > Elastische manchet en zoom ---
**Author:** ![ArHu74](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/arhu74/32/177458_2.png) [@ArHu74](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ArHu74)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2024, 5:15am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/14 "2024-03-10T05:15:23Z")
I once got one of those bags (the largest variant) thinking it would be an upgrade from my topeak backloader (also largest) but within a few rides the ortlieb sagged onto my rear wheel. I nearly crashed and the bag was destroyed. Apparently you need a specific strap to hold up the ortlieb, which is sold separately… The topeak comes with a waterproof innerbag, which is very convenient to get out stuff… ---
**Author:** ![GoLongThenGoHome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/439d5e/32.png) [@GoLongThenGoHome](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/GoLongThenGoHome)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2024, 8:59am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/15 "2024-03-10T08:59:33Z")
> [@ArHu74](#): > > though the hotpack is not the most aero jacket. Doesn’t matter outside racing. Either you’re training to a target or you are just out enjoying a ride. In these situations minor differences in your average speed due to aero differences are not important. ---
**Author:** ![spinnnout](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/spinnnout/32/15455_2.png) [@spinnnout](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/spinnnout)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2024, 9:03am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/16 "2024-03-10T09:03:16Z")
> [@The\_Conductor](#): > > If you need a wind jacket, get the [Patagonia Houdini](https://www.patagonia.com/product/mens-houdini-windbreaker-jacket/24142.html). Not cycling specific but it’ll break the wind like no other and packs down to the size of a tube. These are great. If i’m on the road bike without frame/bar bag, I’ll voile strap this to the top tube for cafe stops. Though it sounds like Arizona has bigger temp swings than here (England). ---
**Author:** ![Pbase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/pbase/32/969_2.png) [@Pbase](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Pbase)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2024, 10:27am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/17 "2024-03-10T10:27:09Z")
I own and love a Houdini. I take it with me when traveling because it packs small and light. I don’t like wearing a hoodie while riding though, so if I was going to use one on the bike, I would opt for the no hood version. [Patagonia Men's Houdini® Stash 1/2-Zip Windbreaker Pullover](https://www.patagonia.com/product/mens-houdini-stash-half-zip-windbreaker-pullover/196924244009.html?s_kwcid=17928&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Performance+Max+-+Trail&utm_content+f23_trailpositioning&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA0bWvBhBjEiwAtEsoW1KNYezbi4QVksOR6CF6k6wVKtCwMLakqVM0aGst7zTel7qR9zuO1xoChG0QAvD_BwE) ---
**Author:** ![OreoCookie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/oreocookie/32/8298_2.png) [@OreoCookie](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/OreoCookie)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2024, 10:45am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/18 "2024-03-10T10:45:32Z")
The best bang for the buck are arm and leg warmers. You can put arm warmers underneath a long-sleeved jersey, too. In addition, you could take a gilet or a vest. Arm warmers are super useful even on e. g. flights or so. You haven’t mentioned cold feet, but merino wool socks helped me a bunch to stay comfortable. Overall, in my experience, the best solution is the one that is slightly too cold in the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![ArHu74](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/arhu74/32/177458_2.png) [@ArHu74](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ArHu74)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2024, 11:51am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/19 "2024-03-10T11:51:34Z")
I just don’t like the feeling of drag but the hotpack probably is a lot more are and better suited for cycling than the houdini ---
**Author:** ![alexgold123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alexgold123/32/1265_2.png) [@alexgold123](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/alexgold123)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2024, 11:52am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668/20 "2024-03-10T11:52:10Z")
You’re talking about something else I think - I mentioned/recommended the ‘saddle bag’ range which uses one QR bracket for all of them. Small one big enough for just a tube and tools, to the biggest which is 4.1L. I think you’re talking about the ‘seat pack’ > **[Saddle Bags | ORTLIEB](https://www.ortlieb.com/en_us/products/bike/saddle-bags)** > > ORTLIEB seat bags offer plenty of stowage space for a replacement tube or a rain jacket and are guaranteed waterproof. They fit snuggly and are a snap when it comes to attaching them to or detaching them from your bike. I had the Topeak bikepacking bag with the inner BTW, it wasn’t waterproof and all my sleep kit/clothes were soaked after a day of rain… I do also have the largest Ortlieb seat pack and have never had any problem with it, certainly never needed another strap 🤔 [Next page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/what-to-do-with-layers/91668.md?page=2)