# Wahoo CEO: What failed & what's coming in 2024? **URL:** \ **Category:** Equipment\ **Created:** [December 21, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241 "2023-12-21T14:58:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/1 "2023-12-21T14:58:16Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/b/2/b2af3b81b9060eab1cc0599617a034f5fa5c2bb8.jpeg "Wahoo Fitness CEO Interview: What failed, and what's coming in 2024?") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNfYi8jU4ss) > **[Wahoo Fitness CEO On Future Wahoo Products, Past Mistakes](https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2023/12/wahoo-fitness-ceo-interview-products-mistakes.html)** > > Last week while visiting Wahoo Fitness, I sat down with the founder and current co-CEO of the company, Chip Hawkins, for a wide-ranging interview discussing everything from past Wahoo initiatives (and failures), to the status of current products, as ---
**Author:** ![eddie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/eddie/32/129850_2.png) [@eddie](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/eddie)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 3:24pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/2 "2023-12-21T15:24:51Z")
No RIVAL 2. šŸ˜­ I love my RIVAL and much prefer its UI to the other watches Iā€™ve tried. Hopefully, they support this one for a while. šŸ„² ---
**Author:** ![agbatten](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/agbatten/32/15723_2.png) [@agbatten](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/agbatten)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 3:48pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/3 "2023-12-21T15:48:40Z")
Looking forward to hearing more about the new product coming out next month! Wondering what it could be šŸ¤” ---
**Author:** ![NoahColorado](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/noahcolorado/32/12887_2.png) [@NoahColorado](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/NoahColorado)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/4 "2023-12-21T15:52:20Z")
Wahoo PVMNT ā€“ a trainer bike you ride outside on the road. ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 3:53pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/5 "2023-12-21T15:53:27Z")
Process of elimination: - Not a Rival 2 (sorry Eddie šŸ˜› ) per Chip. - Not likely a new trainer or bike since the Move & Shift are so recent. - Maybe not a new desk or fan even though those sound like they may come in the future. Possibilities: - Maybe a new computer/head unit? - Could be something totally new (not existing product category) per the length of time in development. ---
**Author:** ![agbatten](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/agbatten/32/15723_2.png) [@agbatten](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/agbatten)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 3:56pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/7 "2023-12-21T15:56:08Z")
> [@mcneese.chad](#): > > Process of elimination: > > - Not a Rival 2 (sorry Eddie šŸ˜› ) per Chip. > - Not likely a new trainer or bike since the Move & Shift are so recent. > - Maybe not a new desk or fan even though those sound like they may come in the future. > > Possibilities: > > - Maybe a new computer/head unit? > - Could be something totally new (not existing product category) per the length of time in development. I believe they said itā€™s been in the works for many yearsā€”makes me think it could be something totally new, but who knows! ---
**Author:** ![tfelds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/tfelds/32/122942_2.png) [@tfelds](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/tfelds)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 1:42am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/8 "2023-12-22T01:42:50Z")
@dcrainmaker, great interview. More of these, please. ---
**Author:** ![Dubadai](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/dubadai/32/82683_2.png) [@Dubadai](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Dubadai)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 5:32pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/9 "2023-12-25T17:32:35Z")
> [@mcneese.chad](#): > > Maybe a new computer/head unit? I really hope that its a new head unitā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Pbase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/pbase/32/969_2.png) [@Pbase](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Pbase)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/10 "2023-12-26T00:38:39Z")
Thanks for sharing @mcneese.chad. Finally got around to watching. Was a great interview, and I appreciated the amount of candor he shared. It was interesting that he said they couldnā€™t bring the Neo-like flywheel/brake system they use for the bikes over to their trainers because the cost increase would be too high. If thatā€™s the case, why can Tacx do it? On the January releaseā€¦If he wants to keep the head units simple, I donā€™t think thereā€™s a new one coming in Jan. Doesnā€™t sound like itā€™s a new Systm thing. Not a new trainer. Not a new watch. Wonā€™t be something like a desk or fan if itā€™s been a decade. I donā€™t think it will be some kind of rocker for the same reason. That leads me to think itā€™s something completely new. Something for running or triathlon? Coaching (since he said the Boulder shut down was purely a cost play)? Some form of low cost power meter? What else enhances the indoor experience? Saddles (highly doubt it)? Music/sound? ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 12:43am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/11 "2023-12-26T00:43:15Z")
> [@Pbase](#): > > If thatā€™s the case, why can Tacx do it? - Iā€™d have to research to find the specifics, but the Neo has always sold for more than the Kickr of the same vintage. Roughly $200 USD from memory but could have been $100-300 since I donā€™t have all the prices history locked down. - That thought totally follows with Chipā€™s comments and their choice to leave that feature to Tacx, so seems aligned to me. ---
**Author:** ![Pbase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/pbase/32/969_2.png) [@Pbase](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Pbase)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 1:08am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/12 "2023-12-26T01:08:50Z")
Agreed. I guess itā€™s just that if thatā€™s the case, and they like it that way, thatā€™s what I would have answered. ---
**Author:** ![OreoCookie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/oreocookie/32/8298_2.png) [@OreoCookie](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/OreoCookie)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 11:50am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/13 "2023-12-26T11:50:03Z")
> [@eddie](#): > > I love my RIVAL and much prefer its UI to the other watches Iā€™ve tried. Hopefully, they support this one for a while. šŸ„² They are currently [on sale in Europe for 99 ā‚¬](https://eu.wahoofitness.com/devices/sport-watches/elemnt-rival-buy). Thatā€™s really cheap. Is it worth it for someone who wants a smartwatch but doesnā€™t want to spend ā‚¬ā‚¬ā‚¬? Iā€™d like to use it to record commutes and gym workouts. ---
**Author:** ![Pbase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/pbase/32/969_2.png) [@Pbase](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Pbase)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 12:35pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/14 "2023-12-26T12:35:20Z")
I wear a Fenix, so I canā€™t comment on the quality of the Rival, but in the interview he did say they will continue to support it for years to come. ---
**Author:** ![jcolp](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jcolp/32/146093_2.png) [@jcolp](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/jcolp)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 12:37pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/15 "2023-12-26T12:37:55Z")
Itā€™s not a smartwatch. Itā€™s an activity tracker with some light smartwatch features. Thatā€™s the best way to think of it, so if you go into it with that mindset youā€™re generally not disappointed. The interface really is the simplicity that Wahoo delivers on the bike computers, which can be a breath of fresh air and get out of your way. _eyes Garmin that blanks out your metrics temporarily when you go out of range on a structured workout_ ---
**Author:** ![OreoCookie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/oreocookie/32/8298_2.png) [@OreoCookie](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/OreoCookie)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 12:42pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/16 "2023-12-26T12:42:48Z")
Itā€™d be a stopgap solution and cheap enough to pay for with my fun money. Iā€™d really like an Apple Watch, but my family has other priorities now. ---
**Author:** ![cmorgan92](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/cmorgan92/32/140996_2.png) [@cmorgan92](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/cmorgan92)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 1:20pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/17 "2023-12-26T13:20:01Z")
Iā€™m very curious to see what they release next month. I have to say though, I have been firmly in the Wahoo ecosystem for 6 years and the QC has been steadily decreasing in my opinion. I am on my second TICKR in two years, and I have already had to warranty it. I have had the POWRLINK Duals since October and my left pedal already has lateral play (and after sending in a video to customer support over a week ago I havenā€™t heard anything). That being said my Kickr17 was a tank and my ELEMNT Bolt V1 just wonā€™t quit. I still really prefer Wahoo products, but I am kind of concerned about the companyā€™s trajectory. ---
**Author:** ![jcolp](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jcolp/32/146093_2.png) [@jcolp](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/jcolp)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 1:37pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/18 "2023-12-26T13:37:50Z")
Friends donā€™t let friends use current generation TICKRs. Nothing to do with QC, all to do with fundamental design. ---
**Author:** ![batwood14](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/batwood14/32/30318_2.png) [@batwood14](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/batwood14)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 2:56pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/19 "2023-12-26T14:56:06Z")
Iā€™m bummed to hear about the Rival as well. I really like mine, but there is room for many improvements ā€¦ which I thought would be continuously rolling out via firmware upgrades over the years, but that hasnā€™t happened ā€” and looks like it wonā€™t. Iā€™m pretty much all-in on the Wahoo stack because of (as mentioned in the interview) the simplicity and the ā€œit just worksā€ nature of the app and interface. I switched from a Garmin Fenix 5x to the Rival because I didnā€™t use 97% of the Fenix features and the menu system was onerous. Will probably get another Garmin watch, but I am definitely in the camp of wanting an ā€œactivity trackerā€ vs. a true ā€œsmart watchā€ ā€¦ and by that definition it looks like the Forerunner 265 is probably the one that fits the bill best. Maybe?? Iā€™m due for an upgrade this coming summer. ---
**Author:** ![jcolp](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jcolp/32/146093_2.png) [@jcolp](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/jcolp)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/20 "2023-12-26T15:11:05Z")
@batwood14 I think Suunto is one to look at, theyā€™ve been making a come back and I may end up grabbing one to try - probably the Race since itā€™s so well priced - to see if it is somewhere between Garmin and Wahoo on complexity. I just canā€™t use Garmin for running, it just irritates me so much. ---
**Author:** ![mjkane](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mjkane/32/141916_2.png) [@mjkane](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mjkane)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 3:32pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241/21 "2023-12-26T15:32:59Z")
Perhaps the new product is simply allowing TR rides and other third-party app activities to be pulled into Wahoo history. How very groundbreaking that would be. [Next page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/wahoo-ceo-what-failed-whats-coming-in-2024/89241.md?page=2)