# Unsupported Dumb Trainer to Smart Trainer - Ramp Test **URL:** \ **Category:** Training\ **Tags:** ramp-test\ **Created:** [December 20, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/unsupported-dumb-trainer-to-smart-trainer-ramp-test/8279 "2018-12-20T16:55:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![slimjet](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/slimjet/32/12895_2.png) [@slimjet](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/slimjet)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/unsupported-dumb-trainer-to-smart-trainer-ramp-test/8279/1 "2018-12-20T16:55:07Z")
I am currently on a dumb, unsupported trainer and I’m about to make the switch to a smart trainer. Using my current setup, my FTP is set at 99. I’m not sure how accurate this is as I am on an unsupported trainer after all. I think it is a low estimate. I’m going to do an FTP test when I get my new smart trainer set up. Do I need to adjust my FTP before I take the ramp test? ---
**Author:** ![RobertSims](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/robertsims/32/26170_2.png) [@RobertSims](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/RobertSims)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/unsupported-dumb-trainer-to-smart-trainer-ramp-test/8279/2 "2018-12-20T17:02:09Z")
Hi. Shouldn’t make great deal of difference as will just mean test goes on longer/ is shorter if current ftp is off. Might be worth having a bit of an estimate though - are you a man or a woman? How old? How lomg been training? Do you know ftp of any friends and are you similar/bit weaker/bit stronger then them? 99w is quite low but all relative to size/age/gender etc I’d be tempted to put it at about 180-200w if male and see how you go ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/unsupported-dumb-trainer-to-smart-trainer-ramp-test/8279/3 "2018-12-20T17:09:51Z")
For new users, TR sets the default FTP based on 2.0 watts per kilogram. So, take your weight in kilograms and multiply by 2.0 and use that for your FTP - Ex: 2.0 w/kg X 68 kg = 136 watts You can do this and adjust the 2.0 w/kg if you think you are higher or lower than that. In general, setting a lower FTP is probably preferred and will just make the test a bit longer. ---
**Author:** ![slimjet](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/slimjet/32/12895_2.png) [@slimjet](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/slimjet)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/unsupported-dumb-trainer-to-smart-trainer-ramp-test/8279/4 "2018-12-20T17:32:32Z")
I’m a 28 year old male. I’ve been riding for 6 years and training for about 2 now. I’m about 73 kg, so I might set my FTP to 146 as Chad suggests. ---
**Author:** ![RobertSims](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/robertsims/32/26170_2.png) [@RobertSims](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/RobertSims)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/unsupported-dumb-trainer-to-smart-trainer-ramp-test/8279/5 "2018-12-20T18:08:40Z")
2 w per kg is good start point, however 28yr old male, riding 6 yrs, training for 2 - likely to be underestimate…However as Chad says above - better estimate bit low and just make test last bit longer. I’d imagine ftp will be over 200 though given history and age ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Doughnutman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/captain_doughnutman/32/7694_2.png) [@Captain\_Doughnutman](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Captain_Doughnutman)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 7:47am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/unsupported-dumb-trainer-to-smart-trainer-ramp-test/8279/6 "2018-12-21T07:47:00Z")
TR set my FTP @142 for my first ramp test. 45 minutes later… ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 12:38pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/unsupported-dumb-trainer-to-smart-trainer-ramp-test/8279/7 "2018-12-21T12:38:04Z")
Outliers… they exist. ---
**Author:** ![DaveWh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/davewh/32/13120_2.png) [@DaveWh](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/DaveWh)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/unsupported-dumb-trainer-to-smart-trainer-ramp-test/8279/8 "2018-12-21T13:21:51Z")
Use VAM from outdoor rides to estimate your power for a given time period. That will allow you to get a pretty decent ball park for your FTP. Eg if you have power from VAM for an 8 minute hill climb, take that power number and multiply by 0.9 to estimate FTP. [https://www.cyclingpowerlab.com/VAM.aspx](https://www.cyclingpowerlab.com/VAM.aspx) ---
**Author:** ![slimjet](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/slimjet/32/12895_2.png) [@slimjet](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/slimjet)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/unsupported-dumb-trainer-to-smart-trainer-ramp-test/8279/9 "2019-01-01T17:00:02Z")
I just wanted to follow up with what I did: I manually set my FTP to 150 and did a ramp test that lasted 36 minutes and resulted in an FTP of 227.