# The sad implosion of Cyclingtips :( (new title to reflect the max exodus) **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [May 21, 2022, 4:56pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815 "2022-05-21T16:56:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mhandwerk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mhandwerk/32/156397_2.png) [@mhandwerk](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mhandwerk)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 4:56pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/1 "2022-05-21T16:56:04Z")
Was listening the Friday Giro updates on the Cyclingtips podcast and they announced that Outside (the parent company of cyclingtips) had a number of layoffs recently and Dane Cash was one of the employees who was let go. Really gutted. Episodes were always a bit better when he was there - enjoyed his analysis and he had a great radio voice. Hoping he lands somewhere good ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 4:58pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/2 "2022-05-21T16:58:14Z")
Ben Delany and a 3rd person I can’t think of in my VO2 fog also got dumped from VeloNews. Crazy times and hope for the best for all of them. ---
**Author:** ![mhandwerk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mhandwerk/32/156397_2.png) [@mhandwerk](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mhandwerk)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 5:02pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/3 "2022-05-21T17:02:23Z")
I just found a tweet - looks like the other one is Greg Kaplan. Bummer for all three > > > Neal Rogers 🇺🇦 @nealrogers ---
**Author:** ![Power13](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/power13/32/92171_2.png) [@Power13](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Power13)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 5:02pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/4 "2022-05-21T17:02:26Z")
> [@mcneese.chad](#): > > a 3rd person I can’t think of in Greg Kaplan ---
**Author:** ![Pbase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/pbase/32/969_2.png) [@Pbase](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Pbase)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 5:03pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/5 "2022-05-21T17:03:34Z")
And they killed both Beta and Peloton too ---
**Author:** ![denglish67](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/denglish67/32/7721_2.png) [@denglish67](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/denglish67)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 5:05pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/6 "2022-05-21T17:05:21Z")
Yes, was sad to hear that news too. Dane added a lot to the CyclingTips podcast, not least his excellent race analysis and acting as an excellent counter-balance to Caley et al who are more likely to fire from the hip and go off at tangents. Hope he finds a great new job. ---
**Author:** ![Power13](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/power13/32/92171_2.png) [@Power13](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Power13)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 5:05pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/7 "2022-05-21T17:05:28Z")
Which was weird because they just killed the print version of VeloNews and switched everyone over to a Peloton subscription. This is your regular reminder that the VC world sucks….corporate vultures that can only read spreadsheets and don’t understand how to run businesses. ---
**Author:** ![timmyboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d9b06d/32.png) [@timmyboy](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/timmyboy)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/8 "2022-05-21T19:29:55Z")
Very Sad. I hope Dane and others find a new home for their talents. I struggle to make sense of these layoffs. My loyalty as a listener and reader is with the journalists that I have come to know and love through the podcasts and printed stories. ---
**Author:** ![Grumpier.Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Grumpier.Mike](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Grumpier.Mike)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 11:14pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/9 "2022-05-21T23:14:49Z")
While I wouldn’t argue about the Venture Capitol (maybe Vulture Capitol is more appropriate) being filled with some greedy low lifes, at least they serve a useful purpose. On the other hand, private equity firms are the worst. Buy a business. Reduce service. Cut costs. Raise prices. You can read about the deal that brought all these companies together > **[Investors ink deal for VeloNews, parent company](https://www.velonews.com/news/investors-ink-deal-for-velonews-parent-company/)** > > The owners of VeloNews have entered into an agreement for the sale of the magazine, its website and parent company, Inside Communications Inc., to Competitor Group Inc., a recently formed private equity-financed media company based in San Diego,... The saddest thing is this quote from Ben “This deal should mean nothing but good things for our readers,” Delaney said. ---
**Author:** ![Power13](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/power13/32/92171_2.png) [@Power13](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Power13)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 11:17pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/10 "2022-05-21T23:17:21Z")
Yeah, I probably should have used PE instead of VC in this case. Thanks for the correction. ---
**Author:** ![Nicholas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/nicholas/32/78971_2.png) [@Nicholas](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Nicholas)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 12:34am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/11 "2022-05-22T00:34:17Z")
Laying off Kaplan and Delaney will mean far fewer tech & gravel articles on VeloNews. Seems like an odd decision as they have been providing a lot of content for the site ---
**Author:** ![gcarver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/gcarver/32/15266_2.png) [@gcarver](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/gcarver)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 1:52am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/12 "2022-05-22T01:52:41Z")
> [@Grumpier.Mike](#): > > Buy a business. Reduce service. Cut costs. Raise prices. You forgot “leverage to the hilt, and use the money to line the PE firms’ pockets”, Scariest thing I read recently is that PE is buying up long-term care / nursing homes now. This will not go well for the elderly, or our public coffers. ---
**Author:** ![AJS914](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@AJS914](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/AJS914)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 1:50pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/13 "2022-05-22T13:50:31Z")
> [@timmyboy](#): > > I struggle to make sense of these layoffs. Outside bought Velonews, Peloton, Cyclingtips, and many other cycling properties. Now they probably have too many staffers doing the exact same thing. It’s sad that they let go long time staffers (who were probably paid more with benefits) and you now see a lot of articles by authors you never heard of (probably contractors). ---
**Author:** ![Pbase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/pbase/32/969_2.png) [@Pbase](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Pbase)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/14 "2022-05-22T14:20:37Z")
> [@AJS914](#): > > many other cycling properties Here’s the full list for anyone who’s unaware. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/1/5/151067f7d714a88cf9c73ad9335511c109f81a38.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![wistoon33](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/wistoon33/32/79474_2.png) [@wistoon33](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/wistoon33)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/15 "2022-05-23T14:23:52Z")
So they bought Peloton only to kill it a year later? ---
**Author:** ![Pbase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/pbase/32/969_2.png) [@Pbase](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Pbase)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:01am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/16 "2022-11-16T01:01:39Z")
I’m not positive it’s true, but on the CT Forum I just saw someone say Caley Fretz, Dave Rome, Matt de Neef and Daniel Bensons (Editor-in-Chief of VN) along with 12% of staff were let go today. ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:03am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/17 "2022-11-16T01:03:54Z")
> **[LAID OFF: Caley Fretz, Dave Rome, Matt de Neef and others axed today](https://forum.cyclingtips.com/t/laid-off-caley-fretz-dave-rome-matt-de-neef-and-others-axed-today/6496)** > > Today Caley Fretz, Dave Rome, Matt de Neef and Daniel Benson (Editor-in-Chief of VN) were let go. Plus lots of other staff (including Steve Brawley who has been with CT for years in sales) and others throughout the company. 12% in total. What a... > **[Outside laying off 12% of staff](https://forum.cyclingtips.com/t/outside-laying-off-12-of-staff/6491)** > > So Outside buys up all these entities, consolidates them, and then lays off the staff? The whole reason we bought CT memberships to begin with was to directly support the journalists, content creators, and staff we could engage with…and to avoid... ---
**Author:** ![toyman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/toyman/32/677_2.png) [@toyman](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/toyman)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:15am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/18 "2022-11-16T01:15:37Z")
Ouch. That is cutting to the core of the operation. ---
**Author:** ![johnnyseven](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/johnnyseven/32/206_2.png) [@johnnyseven](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/johnnyseven)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:18am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/19 "2022-11-16T01:18:19Z")
jfc! ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/4/d/4dd38e75cb538d67a40f892d603ae49361378cb5.png) ---
**Author:** ![Pbase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/pbase/32/969_2.png) [@Pbase](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Pbase)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:54am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/the-sad-implosion-of-cyclingtips-new-title-to-reflect-the-max-exodus/72815/20 "2022-11-16T01:54:11Z")
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