# Sufferfest New Features - TR Killer? **URL:** \ **Category:** TrainerRoad Software\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 4:25pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833 "2018-12-31T16:25:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![John\_Hallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/john_hallas/32/1213_2.png) [@John\_Hallas](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/John_Hallas)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 1:43pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/103 "2019-01-05T13:43:53Z")
I agree with the 4DP thing. If I wanted to be an all rounder I might be interested in my 5 second sprint or 1 minute power. However as a TTer it is slightly irrelevant to me. If I raise those numbers it might give me a better mFTP in WKO4 but it won’t actually make me do a faster TT , directly at least. ---
**Author:** ![Dan\_Dima-ala](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/dan_dima-ala/32/13688_2.png) [@Dan\_Dima-ala](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Dan_Dima-ala)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 4:26am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/104 "2019-01-06T04:26:28Z")
I appreciate the suggestions to adjust interval intensities on the fly, as well as the suggestion to change workouts via workout creator, but this is what we mean by adjusting specific intervals only: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/2X/a/a24719ac5a6d75e7019dcf5410a0d4707c1467a6.jpeg) Screenshot is from DC Rainmaker’s video. In my case, I’d like to adjust Vo2Max efforts only, with the recovery intervals unchanged. ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 4:46am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/105 "2019-01-06T04:46:19Z")
Yup, there is a separate adjuster for each zone, unlike the TR one that hits the entire workout. May not really be all that necessary for most TR workouts as they often focus on one energy system and zone. But I think it makes sense to have the separation option. Ideally, an option to adjust all or individual ones may be the most flexible for users. ---
**Author:** ![Jonnyboy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jonnyboy/32/5802_2.png) [@Jonnyboy](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Jonnyboy)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 6:51am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/106 "2019-01-06T06:51:51Z")
That could make for a very busy smartphone! There’s a lot of useful suggestions being made but I think it’s important to also consider the hardware they need to run TR on and how it would impact the GUI. It would probably be fine on an iPad or tablet but it’s hard enough to hit ‘extend workout’ or ‘intensity’ on a small smartphone running TR whilst pedalling, at least for me anyway 🙂 Maybe some of the more complex adjustments should be pre workout only or be limited to the windows/mac app version if ‘in ride’? ---
**Author:** ![JulianM](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/julianm/32/2112_2.png) [@JulianM](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/JulianM)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 9:50am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/107 "2019-01-06T09:50:02Z")
Agreed. I guess I’m conflating two ideas, both of which I think would add to the TR experience. Firstly as you say have the ability to adjust specific intervals only much more easily than the current Workout Creator while leaving others like recovery phases unchanged. Secondly, over time build from our historical data predictions on how future workouts could be structured to provide the greatest benefit to you individually while remaining achievable. > [@Jonnyboy](#): > > Maybe some of the more complex adjustments should be pre workout only or be limited to the windows/mac app version if ‘in ride’? My use case is that I usually do all the ‘work’ on my MacBook and web, using the calendar and the like and then use my iPhone to control the workout so that would work for me! ---
**Author:** ![RobertSims](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/robertsims/32/26170_2.png) [@RobertSims](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/RobertSims)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 10:07am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/108 "2019-01-06T10:07:53Z")
Just alter intensity of the work intervals to whatever you want them…then ignore the target wattage of rest intervals…they are rest after all - I just spin legs and never really look at the wattage. Obviously no good if ERG mode ---
**Author:** ![JulianM](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/julianm/32/2112_2.png) [@JulianM](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/JulianM)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 10:21am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/109 "2019-01-06T10:21:44Z")
Agreed. But there’s no reason not to strive for improvement. ---
**Author:** ![MI-XC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mi-xc/32/12993_2.png) [@MI-XC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/MI-XC)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 12:13pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/110 "2019-01-06T12:13:04Z")
@Nate_Pearson [quote=“Dan\_Dima-ala, post:104, topic:8833”] [ BB94B13C-7EB9-46E7-B4C5-947E3E93EF78.jpeg2048×1536 409 KB ](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/2X/a/a24719ac5a6d75e7019dcf5410a0d4707c1467a6.jpeg) [/quote] **LOVE the look of that… that would be a great improvement** ---
**Author:** ![Dkmj](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/dkmj/32/2326_2.png) [@Dkmj](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Dkmj)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 1:28pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/111 "2019-01-06T13:28:35Z")
My biggets request is for the plans to suggest ride changes when i miss one or two because of illness, injury or travel. Seems this question is asked often on the podcast, how to adapt a plan when it is interrupted. There are considerations to make here, and Coach Chad reasons. Might his smartness/skills/experience be encoded with the help of some AI possibly to adaptively adapt plans? That would be a killer feature for me. > [@trpnhntr](#): > > I think it unlikely that too many of these specific things end up in the product and I also think these specific features are unnecessary. My guess is that TR is currently focused on more adaptive workouts and plans such that your performance on prior workouts and within the current workout will adjust intensity and duration (similar to what Xert has been trying to do) ---
**Author:** ![Rizzi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/rizzi/32/17674_2.png) [@Rizzi](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Rizzi)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 2:35pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/112 "2019-01-06T14:35:11Z")
Adapting plans might be on the list and I advocated for that. But AI is complex and could it even make worse in specific circumstances. As you said there are those plan adapting questions on the podcast repeatedly and maybe it would be a first step to just integrate some of the standard recommendations as a simple to click action/dialog on a calendar day (without need for fancy AI) like: - Was ill? → Give me 2 trainings to settle back in and then shift the plan back a week maybe and pick up from there again. - Missed because of other demands? → Ensure to get the key workouts in. - … (you get the idea) Of course if there is already some machine learning or even AI in the works (who knows @Nate_Pearson 😉?) that simpler approach would not be needed. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Hallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/john_hallas/32/1213_2.png) [@John\_Hallas](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/John_Hallas)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/113 "2019-01-06T14:42:24Z")
A lot of the suggestions have merit but they mostly seem to revolve around changing intensity, length or placement of a session. I have the view that someone more knowledgeable than me has created the plan and therefore I will try my hardest to follow it and not consider dropping intensity etc unless I absolutely have to. If that is not too easy then that is a good thing in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Jameslarkin9876](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jameslarkin9876/32/10171_2.png) [@Jameslarkin9876](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Jameslarkin9876)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 2:43pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/114 "2019-01-06T14:43:30Z")
How about keep the intervals blue and change the power line to reflect the zone? Red line for V02 Max- Orange for threshold etc. Like someone stated earlier it’s pretty obvious what zone an interval is aiming at. What power is achieved (on non ERG mode) is another thing. Regarding interval intensity, I guess the next level could be to automatically factor V02 Max intensity based on your power curve, say over the last month. Or do some tests to work out the where your FTP sits as a proportion of V02 Max. I guess this isn’t fixed so probably pretty hard and maybe unnecessary? How much does the extra 5% matter when you’re already at 120% FTP? I also quite lile the mental boost of upping the final couple of intervals if I can. Anyway, as you say, nothing here would make me look elsewhere. I’d probably buy a SF video if they were still available but TR is the only sub for me. ---
**Author:** ![Rizzi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/rizzi/32/17674_2.png) [@Rizzi](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Rizzi)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/115 "2019-01-06T15:22:04Z")
> [@Jameslarkin9876](#): > > How about keep the intervals blue and change the power line to reflect the zone? Red line for V02 Max- Orange for threshold etc. > Like someone stated earlier it’s pretty obvious what zone an interval is aiming at. What power is achieved (on non ERG mode) is another thing. The is some kind of alternative already…I think as long as you keep this bar green you’re in the correct zone ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/2X/3/3f06cd47a4fa797988112b740bd4a1ed00bab5f7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Jameslarkin9876](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jameslarkin9876/32/10171_2.png) [@Jameslarkin9876](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Jameslarkin9876)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/116 "2019-01-06T15:52:00Z")
You’re right. I forgot about this as all I focus on is the number, cadence (ish) and pedalling smoothly… I guess I wouldn’t change anything then 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Dan\_Dima-ala](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/dan_dima-ala/32/13688_2.png) [@Dan\_Dima-ala](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Dan_Dima-ala)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 1:36am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/117 "2019-01-07T01:36:53Z")
> I have the view that someone more knowledgeable than me has created the plan and therefore I will try my hardest to follow it and not consider dropping intensity etc unless I absolutely have to. If that is not too easy then that is a good thing in my mind. No doubt. I feel that way 100%. But he also recommends in some workouts (e.g., Bluebell) to assess how we feel and ramp up intensity if certain intervals/sets are too easy. And I have noticed that Vo2Max intervals feel easy to me. A feature where I can automatically set Vo2Max higher than 120% is helpful. Not sure if 120% vs. 125% matters, but if it doesn’t then why does Coach Chad recommend, through the workout text, increasing intensity if the intervals feel easy? It must account for something, right? I am genuinely curious to know. We can certainly adjust intensities on the fly but as @JulianM said, why not strive for improvement? We’re all for TR’s improvement because we love their platform. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Doughnutman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/captain_doughnutman/32/7694_2.png) [@Captain\_Doughnutman](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Captain_Doughnutman)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 2:53am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/118 "2019-01-07T02:53:38Z")
> [@Dan\_Dima-ala](#): > > Not sure if 120% vs. 125% matters, but if it doesn’t then why does Coach Chad recommend, through the workout text, increasing intensity if the intervals feel easy? It must account for something, right? I am genuinely curious to know. It’s because VO2max has a very wide “zone” – approx. 110-130% FTP – and it’s most likely different for everyone (think genetics). TR uses the industry standard 120% because it’s generally a good middle ground. CC tell you to pay attention and be observant of your own efforts and subsequent results, then adjust accordingly. E.g. my personal VO2max is around 125% and I can crank out a few long intervals at this level; however, my more dependable and repeatable (important!) level is closer to the general 120% mark. You’ll also notice the VO2max sessions are the only workouts where CC recommends freely adjusting interval intensity. ---
**Author:** ![Dkmj](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/dkmj/32/2326_2.png) [@Dkmj](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Dkmj)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 12:32pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/119 "2019-01-07T12:32:10Z")
Agree to skip the AI. Just some basics (you listed them) and the Calender moving magic would be awesome. Not easy though, the latter part, especially if they start sharing with outside calendars through an iCal feed. Could get messy. ---
**Author:** ![Bryce](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bryce/32/72_2.png) [@Bryce](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Bryce)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/120 "2019-01-07T18:34:20Z")
We think this would be a killer feature too 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rizzi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/rizzi/32/17674_2.png) [@Rizzi](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Rizzi)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/121 "2019-01-07T20:05:00Z")
Should we create a separate feature request entry for that? Hope it’s not necessary as you already saw and commented here…? ---
**Author:** ![Bryce](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bryce/32/72_2.png) [@Bryce](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Bryce)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 8:15pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833/122 "2019-01-07T20:15:29Z")
No need, it’s something we’re looking into 🙂 Long thread, but you can get an idea of where we are going here: > [@TrainerRoad's Big Data](https://www.trainerroad.com/forumt/trainerroads-big-data/4892): > > So, TrainerRoad has loads of data, LOADS. I’ve no idea how many users there are or how many workout get completed every day but with every one there’s probably something we can learn. Success or failure, years of dedication or just starting out - everything that’s collected can tell us something. Putting it all together and there could be new ways of looking at training. I’m sure the team have ideas about what they would do with the data but if it was yours what smart things would do with it … [Previous page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833.md?page=5) [Next page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/sufferfest-new-features-tr-killer/8833.md?page=7)