# Running TSS question **URL:** \ **Category:** TrainerRoad Software\ **Tags:** calendar\ **Created:** [February 10, 2020, 1:15pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/running-tss-question/29615 "2020-02-10T13:15:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kontrabass](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/kontrabass/32/12908_2.png) [@kontrabass](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/kontrabass)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 1:15pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/running-tss-question/29615/1 "2020-02-10T13:15:36Z")
Hi, I built my plan with plan builder and after some weeks I noticed that the predicted TSS for running is way off. For example: 1. two sundays ago I had a 1h50min base run scheduled. Intensity was rpe4 ( rpe6 in description) and planned TSS was 84. I ran it with 153BPM and got a RSS 161 from stryd which is twice the amount TR planned(I use polar vantage m + stryd) 2. Last sunday I had a 50min run with 41TSS planned ( again, planned RPE4, but RPE6 in description). I ran 54 minutes, with average 147BPM and RSS was 90. So the planned TSS vs stryd RSS are always different by quite a big margin. If I also add swim tss then the planned load is way off. For example if in the weekly plan, cycling TSS made up 3/4 of total, then after adding the running and swimming, I may even get down to 50%. If you even use logic, then 1h50min run cant be only 84TSS which is basically an easy bike ride. ---
**Author:** ![dprimm](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/dprimm/32/7757_2.png) [@dprimm](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/dprimm)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 2:39pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/running-tss-question/29615/2 "2020-02-10T14:39:28Z")
All I can say is “I get what you are saying.” I don’t know the answer … but at least you have something. Garmin does not give me a TSS for runs. Suppose I can go into TrainingPeaks and see what they do. ---
**Author:** ![WildWill](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/wildwill/32/9414_2.png) [@WildWill](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/WildWill)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 2:42pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/running-tss-question/29615/3 "2020-02-10T14:42:08Z")
I use pace rather than HR to calculate my rTSS based on my 1hr pace (rTSS rather than hrTSS) ---
**Author:** ![philip\_king](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/philip_king/32/23055_2.png) [@philip\_king](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/philip_king)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 2:43pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/running-tss-question/29615/4 "2020-02-10T14:43:38Z")
I use TrainingPeaks and have historically used rTSS and not hrTSS, this makes a huge difference to the numbers and means that they are nor directly comparable to my cycling TSS numbers ---
**Author:** ![fl33tStA](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/fl33tsta/32/174372_2.png) [@fl33tStA](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/fl33tStA)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/running-tss-question/29615/5 "2020-02-10T14:46:03Z")
I think TR works with hr TSS In Training Peaks you can View different TSS: hrTSS calculated with HR zones TSS calculated with Power Zones rTSS calculated with Pace zones my hrTSS is mostly the same as in TR description and TSS with Power a lot higher ---
**Author:** ![JoeX](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/joex/32/6640_2.png) [@JoeX](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/JoeX)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/running-tss-question/29615/6 "2020-02-10T16:11:00Z")
Hi there. If you’re planning your training by RPE, you need to execute it by RPE. So you can either use your stryde as a guide for RPE, or plan your run training for stryde numbers. ---
**Author:** ![fl33tStA](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/fl33tsta/32/174372_2.png) [@fl33tStA](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/fl33tStA)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 4:40pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/running-tss-question/29615/7 "2020-02-10T16:40:35Z")
Sure, If you can, for me its easier to work with TSS (Power), you can create easily with Training Peaks Workout builder, nearly Same as TR Bike Workouts ---
**Author:** ![kontrabass](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/kontrabass/32/12908_2.png) [@kontrabass](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/kontrabass)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/running-tss-question/29615/8 "2020-02-10T18:55:18Z")
> [@WildWill](#): > > use pace rather than HR to calculate my rTSS based on my 1h Im not using either, Stryd uses power. edit: I guess there was some misunderstanding. Stryd uses power to get TSS, just as in cycling. Not related to hrTSS and RPE. I posted the RPE values just to give some example of the required pace. For example, if the description says RPE6, then i run at 280-315w range and my HR is somewhere around 150. ---
**Author:** ![ABG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@ABG](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ABG)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/running-tss-question/29615/10 "2020-02-10T20:24:28Z")
I play a 40min basketball game, i have no idea what the TSS is. But half the time I cant breath so I score it like vo2 work ---
**Author:** ![desertrun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/desertrun/32/12895_2.png) [@desertrun](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/desertrun)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 12:10am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/running-tss-question/29615/11 "2020-02-11T00:10:53Z")
Is it your Stryd that is reporting the TSS, or is it Stryd data as viewed in something like TrainingPeaks? I do not own a Stryd, but when I was using the Garmin Running Power function on my FR935 it was doubling my TSS as viewed in TrainingPeaks, until I set my power zones in TP. ---
**Author:** ![Upanddown480](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/upanddown480/32/7725_2.png) [@Upanddown480](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Upanddown480)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 3:25am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/running-tss-question/29615/12 "2020-02-11T03:25:10Z")
I found a lot of inconsistencies between what was described and what the default entry was in the calendar. I reported it at one point but I guess running/triathletes is not high on their priorities now. Maybe it’ll change once they actually start using a tri plan ---
**Author:** ![Power13](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/power13/32/92171_2.png) [@Power13](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Power13)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 3:53am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/running-tss-question/29615/13 "2020-02-11T03:53:19Z")
I have never used a Stryd to get a run-based TSS, but when I was running regularly and using pace as my evaluation factor, my rTSS came in pretty regularly ~10TSS/ mile. 4 mile run = ~40 rTSS. For the mot part, I found those values in the same ballpark as my TSS from a bike ride of similar time / effort. While Stryd uses power, I know there are a lot of variables they use to evaluate power…I don’t know if watts from on run on Stryd is the same watts as those actually measured via strain gauges on a power meter. ---
**Author:** ![ClairStewart](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/clairstewart/32/14866_2.png) [@ClairStewart](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ClairStewart)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/running-tss-question/29615/14 "2020-05-22T21:37:29Z")
Was wondering a bit on this same topic and glad I found this rather than posting a new comment. I’m currently using Plan Builder with my A race of Santa Cruz 70.3 1/2 triathlon in September. I’m following the 1/2 Triathlon build in Trainer Road and write them into my Training Peak calendar to chart my progress. I use Garmin 920xt and Stryd power meter for runs. When I input the run workouts such as base run w/ 8 1m Anaerobic repeats for a total of 1 hour using the RPE shown my expected TSS score is much lower than the TR TSS expected. In order to adjust my run to meet that TSS score I have to increase the power/ pace of my warm up time and cool down times between the VO2 intervals or lengthen those times significantly, or both. I feel that matching the TSS is most important. Seems like others have had similar difficulties.