# Route Creation App / Site Recommendations **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/route-creation-app-site-recommendations/38464 "2020-06-27T15:09:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AlphaDogCycling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alphadogcycling/32/13863_2.png) [@AlphaDogCycling](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/AlphaDogCycling)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/route-creation-app-site-recommendations/38464/1 "2020-06-27T15:09:00Z")
Now that Strava has paywalled their route creation feature, does anyone have suggestions for good sites? My minimum requirements / wants: - Ability to export to Garmin Edge - This is probably a no brainer, but putting it out there - Needs to be able to do both road and gravel routes - Ability to copy / duplicate a route - Ability to easily edit an existing route - Strava really sucked at this part. It wasn’t really possible to edit / change a route once you had it created - “Snap to” roads / trails - Creating routes must work well on a computer - having a good iOS app is a bonus - Nice to have: ability to import the routes I’ve already created, and let me edit them I’m willing to pay for a good site that meets all of the above. ---
**Author:** ![Dowdalld](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/dowdalld/32/23908_2.png) [@Dowdalld](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Dowdalld)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 3:21pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/route-creation-app-site-recommendations/38464/2 "2020-06-27T15:21:04Z")
Ridewithgps does it for me. I have paid for it in the past but I can’t remember why as currently the free version does everything I need. It should tick all your boxes although I don’t know what the IOS app is like. ---
**Author:** ![rkoswald](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/rkoswald/32/28273_2.png) [@rkoswald](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/rkoswald)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 11:40am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/route-creation-app-site-recommendations/38464/3 "2020-06-28T11:40:43Z")
Ridewithgps. I use it as my single source for creating all routes, then export / import them into my watch or head unit as needed. Their Collection feature to group similar routes is pretty slick, too. ---
**Author:** ![Brennus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/brennus/32/1318_2.png) [@Brennus](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Brennus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 12:18pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/route-creation-app-site-recommendations/38464/4 "2020-06-28T12:18:01Z")
One more for RideWithGPS. They tuned the site up a little while ago. Made some improvements I like. It will ‘snap to’ pretty much all municipal and rail-to-trail bike trails. Sometimes annoyingly so. Don’t know about the export process. I always just save my routes to a file and then transfer them via usb cable to my navigation device. I never connect my GPS devices to WiFi. ---
**Author:** ![drubru1131](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/drubru1131/32/55645_2.png) [@drubru1131](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/drubru1131)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 12:20pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/route-creation-app-site-recommendations/38464/5 "2020-06-28T12:20:49Z")
The Garmin Connect website has a built in router builder. On the left of the screen navigate to Training, then Courses, and then create a course from there. It meets all your requirements and is free. The route creating might be a little finicky for you since its a similar interface to Strava. ---
**Author:** ![soulridescycling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/soulridescycling/32/42951_2.png) [@soulridescycling](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/soulridescycling)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 12:36pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/route-creation-app-site-recommendations/38464/6 "2020-06-28T12:36:20Z")
I use RideWithGPS all the time together with the Wahoo Elemnt. They have a relatively new feature where they can push an updated route directly to your head unit. You just have to link your account in the head unit settings. Often I will map a route in Strava first just so I can use the Heatmap feature (premium members only I think) which shows the most commonly used roads/trails and then I retrace it out using RideWithGPS so I get the turn by turn directions on my Elemnt. I find the RWG is easier for making edits and trying different variations of the same route by saving a copy the original route and grabbing the route line on the map and pushing/pulling it over different roads/paths. They recently improved their mapping functions and has some really good functions. Good luck, hope this helps. ---
**Author:** ![Brennus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/brennus/32/1318_2.png) [@Brennus](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Brennus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 12:58pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/route-creation-app-site-recommendations/38464/7 "2020-06-28T12:58:50Z")
Thanks! I know how to get RideWithGPS to push routes to my GPS devices. I just don’t want to connect my GPS devices to WiFi. ---
**Author:** ![\_JG](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/_jg/32/20213_2.png) [@\_JG](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/_JG)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 1:08pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/route-creation-app-site-recommendations/38464/8 "2020-06-28T13:08:51Z")
Komoot 👍 👍 👍 Free Let you choose your riding (road only, gravel, mtb, touring…) Let you know the road surfaces And more ---
**Author:** ![AlphaDogCycling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alphadogcycling/32/13863_2.png) [@AlphaDogCycling](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/AlphaDogCycling)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/route-creation-app-site-recommendations/38464/9 "2020-06-28T13:52:26Z")
I tried RideWithGPS and the snap-to feature is really freaking annoying. They an option to turn that off. I know which road I want to ride on, so don’t assume the road I’m using is a problem and route me onto another road. I gave the Garmin route creator another try, and at least you can duplicate courses, so that is a very slight improvement over Strava. I will have to give Komoot a chance. thanks for the suggestions ---
**Author:** ![bbarrera](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bbarrera/32/14734_2.png) [@bbarrera](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/bbarrera)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/route-creation-app-site-recommendations/38464/10 "2020-06-28T16:16:26Z")
RWGPS web editor can be a little finicky, I drop and drag control points to force road selection. Think you have to toggle edit control points or something. The free version works. Our club has an account so I get offline maps if it’s in the library. I mostly edit club century rides - I ride my bike to somewhere on the route instead of driving 30 minutes to the start. Garmin has done some updates. Both sync via mobile to my 530. ---
**Author:** ![Trippy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/trippy/32/14322_2.png) [@Trippy](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Trippy)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/route-creation-app-site-recommendations/38464/11 "2020-06-28T16:20:42Z")
I use Garmin Connect and think it does fine for what I need. I only ride on the road, at least only intend to ride on the road.