# Red Light Green Light: Request for "burned out" athletes! **URL:** \ **Category:** TrainerRoad Software\ **Created:** [January 30, 2024, 11:10pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473 "2024-01-30T23:10:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Nate\_Pearson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/nate_pearson/32/117463_2.png) [@Nate\_Pearson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Nate_Pearson)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 11:07pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/235 "2024-02-12T23:07:53Z")
> [@Jolyzara](#): > > This is super interesting… I am curious about the training leading up to the tour so that no red days were triggered? Did they have any red days (or series of days) during hard training blocks? There were some in early season base phase but not many. They basically stretched themselves early during the season and then rode 😉 that fitness the rest of the year. Makes sense too, better to push it during preseason when you can control more rather that right before big races. ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Pearson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/nate_pearson/32/117463_2.png) [@Nate\_Pearson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Nate_Pearson)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 11:10pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/236 "2024-02-12T23:10:13Z")
> [@John\_Barclay](#): > > Just took 2 days off completely and I’m still not feeling well recovered. Took a look at my recent training history and noticed that I’ve done 11 weeks in a row with average TSS of 390 (I tried a week of just Endurance as a sort of recovery week, but ended up just doing more volume). Probably need a few more days off! > > @Nate_Pearson - would RL/GL have caught this and saved me from myself? Potentially not in this case. We have an update planned to recommend an entire recovery week for athletes like yourself who train consistently and never reduce their volume. We know that’s a limitation of the current system but we thought it would be better to get this out and add a ton of value and then add that later. ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Pearson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/nate_pearson/32/117463_2.png) [@Nate\_Pearson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Nate_Pearson)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 11:11pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/237 "2024-02-12T23:11:03Z")
> [@Slowwithouttwitch](#): > > Is this feature “just” the usual > “acute\_training\_load - cronic\_training\_load = form”; > IF form \< xyz THEN give\_red\_dot > > Or do I do it unjustice? No it is not. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![huges84](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/huges84/32/132176_2.png) [@huges84](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/huges84)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 11:15pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/238 "2024-02-12T23:15:37Z")
> [@Nate\_Pearson](#): > > RLGL should go into early access this week!!! 🤞 ---
**Author:** ![EMyers](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/emyers/32/7757_2.png) [@EMyers](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/EMyers)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 11:28pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/240 "2024-02-12T23:28:58Z")
Simulating an individual athlete with specific characteristics (age, sex, history, goals) and then using distributions from the larger population of athletes to predict the range of outcomes? Will you be able to account for correlations between those distributions or assume they’re independent (will have an effect on the width of the confidence intervals)? ---
**Author:** ![patricksudol](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/patricksudol/32/133946_2.png) [@patricksudol](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/patricksudol)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/241 "2024-02-12T23:38:43Z")
> [@Nate\_Pearson](#): > > RLGL should go into early access this week!!! It won’t have TrainNow support this week but it will before full launch. I assume, once this is live, anybody can toggle this via Account → Early Access? ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Pearson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/nate_pearson/32/117463_2.png) [@Nate\_Pearson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Nate_Pearson)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 11:54pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/242 "2024-02-12T23:54:56Z")
Correct ---
**Author:** ![Rizzi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/rizzi/32/17674_2.png) [@Rizzi](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Rizzi)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 12:53am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/243 "2024-02-13T00:53:35Z")
> [@Nate\_Pearson](#): > > RLGL should go into early access this week!!! Good to hear of some progress. Could be ideally timed to make an appearance in the next podcast episode?! ---
**Author:** ![AlphaDogCycling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alphadogcycling/32/13863_2.png) [@AlphaDogCycling](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/AlphaDogCycling)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 2:26am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/244 "2024-02-13T02:26:34Z")
> [@Nate\_Pearson](#): > > It’s a brand new AI system that will allow us to run Monte Carlo simulations on different training plans/workout combos. @Nate_Pearson - as someone who is really familiar with Monte Carlo Simulations and there usage, will the sensitivity analysis from the Monte Carlo Simulations be shared with the end-user (or at least have a super advanced option for those who understand to be able to see this?)? This is really the crown jewel benefit: what training structure lever (e.g., volume, work to rest interval, plan structure components, etc.) does the new AI think has the most bang for the buck to increase FTP? And does 1 lever (e.g., volume) massively outweigh the contribution of all others, and where is the break point (e.g., going from 8 - 10 hours gets me 80% of the benefit from increasing volume, while going from 8 - 12 hours only gets 87% of the increasing volume benefit, etc.)? ---
**Author:** ![EMyers](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/emyers/32/7757_2.png) [@EMyers](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/EMyers)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 12:05pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/245 "2024-02-13T12:05:01Z")
I use them all the time as well, and was wondering the same thing. The thing im curious about is the data structure. Are all the potential correlations between the predictor parameters accounted for in the sampling or are they assumed to be independent? Presumably TR can do the former since they have all the data ---
**Author:** ![EMyers](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/emyers/32/7757_2.png) [@EMyers](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/EMyers)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 2:55pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/246 "2024-02-13T14:55:11Z")
The other thing that would be potentially really helpful for future product development would be a value-of-information analysis, where instead of cost-benefit you could do “harm-benefit” (say “Overtraining episodes per % FTP gain”) and identify which parameters are contributing the most to uncertainty, and then put resources into better metrics/ways of reducing that uncertainty. ---
**Author:** ![bfrostieone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bfrostieone/32/13407_2.png) [@bfrostieone](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/bfrostieone)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 4:41pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/247 "2024-02-13T16:41:35Z")
Does that mean swims will be imported and shown on the calendar soon too? 🤞 ---
**Author:** ![mattystorey001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mattystorey001/32/85234_2.png) [@mattystorey001](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mattystorey001)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 7:18pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/248 "2024-02-13T19:18:12Z")
Wish i had this during ironman training last year - would have been a godsend. Five months post race of no exercise after significant burnout and only just going back to it now - 3+ stone overweight… ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 8:01pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/249 "2024-02-13T20:01:33Z")
> [@Red Light Green Light is Available in Early Access! tada tada tadatada tada tadatada tada](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-is-available-in-early-access/90933): > > Today, we’re excited to announce the launch of a new TrainerRoad feature that will change the way you train: Red Light Green Light (or RLGL)! This new feature will track your training fatigue, show you when you’re overdoing it, and offer smart adaptations to your training plan to prevent long-term fatigue. That includes a new type of adaptation: Rest Days! We’re launching to Early Access first—we want your feedback. What is Red Light Green Light? Red Light Green Light is a new feature that i… ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Pearson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/nate_pearson/32/117463_2.png) [@Nate\_Pearson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Nate_Pearson)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 10:52pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/250 "2024-02-13T22:52:37Z")
> [@AlphaDogCycling](#): > > @Nate_Pearson - as someone who is really familiar with Monte Carlo Simulations and there usage, will the sensitivity analysis from the Monte Carlo Simulations be shared with the end-user (or at least have a super advanced option for those who understand to be able to see this?)? This is really the crown jewel benefit: what training structure lever (e.g., volume, work to rest interval, plan structure components, etc.) does the new AI think has the most bang for the buck to increase FTP? And does 1 lever (e.g., volume) massively outweigh the contribution of all others, and where is the break point (e.g., going from 8 - 10 hours gets me 80% of the benefit from increasing volume, while going from 8 - 12 hours only gets 87% of the increasing volume benefit, etc.)? Im not sure yet. ---
**Author:** ![AlphaDogCycling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alphadogcycling/32/13863_2.png) [@AlphaDogCycling](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/AlphaDogCycling)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 10:55pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/251 "2024-02-13T22:55:30Z")
If you’d like an alpha tester, ping me 🙃 If you / TR decide not to do this, I get it as explaining this to folks who don’t understand / haven’t worked with Monte Carlo Simulations will be super difficult ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Pearson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/nate_pearson/32/117463_2.png) [@Nate\_Pearson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Nate_Pearson)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 10:59pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/252 "2024-02-13T22:59:49Z")
> [@bfrostieone](#): > > Does that mean swims will be imported and shown on the calendar soon too? 🤞 We have a project to show swims on the calendar along with other activities. It won’t be as feature rich as cycling, but they will be there. It’s in development now and I don’t have a launch date yet. ---
**Author:** ![EMyers](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/emyers/32/7757_2.png) [@EMyers](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/EMyers)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 11:00pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/253 "2024-02-13T23:00:42Z")
Based on the papers I get asked to review, a lot of people who ostensibly have worked with it don’t understand it. ---
**Author:** ![AlphaDogCycling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alphadogcycling/32/13863_2.png) [@AlphaDogCycling](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/AlphaDogCycling)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 11:17pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/254 "2024-02-13T23:17:14Z")
I can believe that 😆 ---
**Author:** ![EMyers](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/emyers/32/7757_2.png) [@EMyers](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/EMyers)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 12:15am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473/255 "2024-02-14T00:15:49Z")
For teaching purposes, I’ve found using election predictions seem the most intuitive. I’ve got some screenshots from the 2016 primary that show the distributions of poll results, and say “Candidate X is favored 96% of the time”–most people are used to the idea of “margin of error” with polls, and it’s easy to see where the tails of the distributions overlap. [Previous page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473.md?page=11) [Next page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/red-light-green-light-request-for-burned-out-athletes/90473.md?page=13)