# Question about protein that increase as calories increase **URL:** \ **Category:** Nutrition\ **Created:** [April 16, 2019, 3:19pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738 "2019-04-16T15:19:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![carytb](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/carytb/32/23710_2.png) [@carytb](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/carytb)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 6:12am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/22 "2019-04-17T06:12:54Z")
20g seems to be at odds with what the guy says on the video above. Do you have any links to where you got that information? ---
**Author:** ![brendanhousler](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/brendanhousler/32/11363_2.png) [@brendanhousler](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/brendanhousler)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 11:25am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/23 "2019-04-17T11:25:06Z")
to be honest, it was just what I was always told, but[this study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5828430/) actually says 25g… hmm maybe 30 is possible. [this is a few years](https://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/a19525156/how-much-protein-can-your-muscles-absorb/) old but says 25-35g…interesting! Thanks for pointing this out @carytb ---
**Author:** ![carytb](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/carytb/32/23710_2.png) [@carytb](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/carytb)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 3:00pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/24 "2019-04-17T15:00:15Z")
Thanks for the link to the study. I’ve had a quick scan through it (although i start loosing the will to live if I try and read it properly). It would appear that this study implies anything from .25g/kg per meal (4 meals) to .55g/kg per meal. A big range. For me at 89kg that gives between 22g and almost 50g per meal the upper end is 200g protein a day which is A LOT. In short I think it depends on so many variables it’s almost impossible to give a concrete answer. What surprised me about the video was that he never mentioned the weight of the person - something that everyone else says is important - perhaps he was just talking about an average Canadian/American but he was very emphatic about the 30g at a time figure. ---
**Author:** ![brendanhousler](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/brendanhousler/32/11363_2.png) [@brendanhousler](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/brendanhousler)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/25 "2019-04-17T15:02:10Z")
so the person’s weight matters for the TOTAL over the 24 hours of a day, but I believe independent of weight is the 20 (or 30g) that can actually be absorbed for repairing someone’s muscles. I’ll split the difference and do 25 an hr for the 2 hours after and then resume eating a balanced diet. Sound good to you as well? Thanks again for the input! ---
**Author:** ![Roikyou](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/roikyou/32/7721_2.png) [@Roikyou](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Roikyou)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 3:07pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/26 "2019-04-17T15:07:55Z")
I kind of boiled it down to 30 grams of protein per meal to meet the threshold. It’s easy to do that when your doing a low carb diet anyways. Again, if I understood his message about breakfast and meeting the spike in leucine for muscle building throughout the day, it’s a very important meal. It’s very easy to set up a meal plan to meet and exceed based on 30 grams of protein per meal. As mentioned, anything above that kind of becomes fuel if you want to call it that. That’s my translation. As far as a baseline for what you need based on weight, activity, etc is all up to you. I personally like the 1 gram of protein per pound (I’ll stick to that cause my conversion from pounds to kilograms just doesn’t work and confuses people) ---
**Author:** ![KickrLin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/kickrlin/32/15760_2.png) [@KickrLin](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/KickrLin)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/27 "2019-04-17T22:12:42Z")
> [@brendanhousler](#): > > so the person’s weight matters for the TOTAL over the 24 hours of a day, but I believe independent of weight is the 20 (or 30g) that can actually be absorbed for repairing someone’s muscles. THIS ⬆ Do not confuse how much one needs per day with how much one can absorb per meal or unit of time. ---
**Author:** ![bbarrera](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bbarrera/32/14734_2.png) [@bbarrera](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/bbarrera)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/29 "2019-04-18T14:21:03Z")
> [@GilbertsGrapes](#): > > Athletes who wish to achieve effective weight loss, which promotes the retention or even an increase in lean mass, are advised to engage in resistance exercise and to consume dietary protein in quantities of 1.6–2.4 g/kg." Thanks, reconfirming my 200g target with a starting weight of 98kg and a 8-12 month goal of taking it down to 86kg. ---
**Author:** ![Roikyou](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/roikyou/32/7721_2.png) [@Roikyou](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Roikyou)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/30 "2019-04-18T14:34:04Z")
think I’ve gone full circle over night. I’m back at the what isn’t broke, don’t fix it. I’ve gone from 78.2 kg body weight when I started trainerroad last August down to 73.6 body weight. I consume over three meals around 165 to 170 grams of protein. I’m happy where it’s at. I was just rethinking everything as I wanted to rethink joint supplements, which turned on the light bulb, am I getting enough protein, etc. I’ve been using myfitnesspal for over five years. I’ve balanced my diet on a curve that is affected by how much exercise is done. I’ve been told it’s not the way to do it, set a static diet but my diet has been dynamic and has worked for me. I’ve cut carbs which some say not to do when you want to do endurance cycling but my performance has continued to increase, I’ve dropped weight, I feel better and until something changes, I probably won’t change it. I will probably try a multi-vitamin, joint supplement and leave it at that. There has been a lot of good and interesting information, I appreciate the input. ---
**Author:** ![rolaand](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/rolaand/32/29723_2.png) [@rolaand](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/rolaand)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/31 "2019-04-18T15:30:02Z")
I am not a physiology expert, but does it matter that the exercises in the study were load bearing activities? I would assume that load bearing and strength increasing exercises --the initial study and the referenced study within the article for the protein suggestion section ([https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Scott\_Brown12/publication/257350851\_A\_Systematic\_Review\_of\_Dietary\_Protein\_During\_Caloric\_Restriction\_in\_Resistance\_Trained\_Lean\_Athletes\_A\_Case\_for\_Higher\_Intakes/links/0f31753bc6ad63f47f000000.pdf](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Scott_Brown12/publication/257350851_A_Systematic_Review_of_Dietary_Protein_During_Caloric_Restriction_in_Resistance_Trained_Lean_Athletes_A_Case_for_Higher_Intakes/links/0f31753bc6ad63f47f000000.pdf)) – have different protein requirements than non-load bearing aerobic activities like cycling. Coming from a T&F background I can attest to the load bearing nature of all areas of the sport including distance running (although I was a field athlete). It doesn’t really matter to me either way, but I am curious now since I have always heard about half the recommended dose for cycling and I believe @chad mentioned it during the podcast once or twice ---
**Author:** ![BMAC615](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bmac615/32/13086_2.png) [@BMAC615](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/BMAC615)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/32 "2019-04-18T15:43:54Z")
My understanding is that any proteins that cannot be absorbed get converted and stored as fat or glucose (depending on how much your body needs for fuel). So, with the wide range of what I’m seeing in the posted studies, 50g per hour at the absolute highest absorbsion rate (I suspect during or before intense activity) and everything above that would be stored as fat, right? ---
**Author:** ![JoeX](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/joex/32/6640_2.png) [@JoeX](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/JoeX)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/35 "2019-04-18T16:17:16Z")
> [@BMAC615](#): > > 50g per hour at the absolute highest absorbsion rate (I suspect during or before intense activity) and everything above that would be stored as fat, right? I believe you’re thinking of carbs. Protein doesn’t get processed that way, if you eat more than your body needs the rest gets excreted. ---
**Author:** ![samyall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/samyall/32/12448_2.png) [@samyall](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/samyall)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/36 "2019-04-18T16:21:13Z")
Tumeric is what you want if you are looking at joint supplements. I personally like this tumeric/omega oil concoction and have noticed significant improvement even when I take it less than the recommneded three times a day. [Omega Sport+®](https://www.florahealth.com/ca-en/products/omega-sport/) ---
**Author:** ![BMAC615](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bmac615/32/13086_2.png) [@BMAC615](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/BMAC615)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/37 "2019-04-18T17:02:54Z")
> [@JoeX](#): > > I believe you’re thinking of carbs. Protein doesn’t get processed that way, if you eat more than your body needs the rest gets excreted. Here’s what a quick search revealed. [https://www.ideafit.com/answers/is-excess-protein-converted-and-stored-as-body-fat](https://www.ideafit.com/answers/is-excess-protein-converted-and-stored-as-body-fat) ---
**Author:** ![rolaand](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/rolaand/32/29723_2.png) [@rolaand](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/rolaand)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/38 "2019-04-18T17:42:13Z")
awesome work, congrats! ---
**Author:** ![GeorgeAnderson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/georgeanderson/32/85009_2.png) [@GeorgeAnderson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/GeorgeAnderson)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/39 "2019-04-18T17:45:53Z")
Yeah, I believe any excess is just removed by the kidneys. That’s why they say eating excess protein is just throwing good money away. I have read however that excess protein can also cause kidney damage. To what extent and whether it’s true or not I’ve no idea. It’s just what I’ve previously read. ---
**Author:** ![BMAC615](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bmac615/32/13086_2.png) [@BMAC615](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/BMAC615)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/40 "2019-04-18T18:19:38Z")
If that were the case, I should just eat any excess calories in the form of protein and I wouldn’t gain any weight 😁 I’m not a nutritionist, BUUUUUUUUUUUT, my understanding of the way our bodies process macros is that your body can only absorb so many grams per hour of each. Any excess beyond what your body needs in the short term immediately begins the process of conversion to storage as fat. If the body then requires energy and only after it depletes glycogen stores, it THEN dips into the fat stores to convert BACK to glucose for fuel. If you consume too many grams of carbs, fats or proteins beyond what your body needs in the short term, it converts to fat as storage. ---
**Author:** ![carytb](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/carytb/32/23710_2.png) [@carytb](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/carytb)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738/41 "2019-04-18T18:29:12Z")
According to the guy what matters is 3g Leucine and the amount of leucine varies depending on the particular type of protein. Whey has a lot in it. I took 30 g to be a sort of average of normal protein I might eat. Having 1/2 pint of milk gives about 10g so if my meal is a little light in the stuff bi just gave a glass of milk. I also use some leucine supplements as well. Each pill is 1g [Previous page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/question-about-protein-that-increase-as-calories-increase/14738.md?page=1)