# Quality over Quantity vs. 80/20 (or Chad vs. Matt ;))

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**Created:** [October 16, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/quality-over-quantity-vs-80-20-or-chad-vs-matt/3962 "2018-10-16T19:11:57Z")\
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**Post date:** [December 12, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/quality-over-quantity-vs-80-20-or-chad-vs-matt/3962/307 "2018-12-12T18:33:07Z")

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> [@mcneese.chad](#):
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> Yeah, I am guessing (reverse engineering) that my 88% HR Max listed on the 3-Zone model is from Dr. Seiler, when he defined the zones in the original FT podcast (ep 51?).

I took notes of episode 54:

> [@Polarized Training Discussion (Fast Talk podcast & Flo Cycling podcast)](https://www.trainerroad.com/forumt/polarized-training-discussion-fast-talk-podcast-flo-cycling-podcast/1766/84):
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> @mcneese.chad Out of curiosity I just listened to Fast Talk ep 54 and it was entirely about guidance on setting the 3 zones. With the benefit of never having listened to anything else about the 3 zone training model, I thought Dr. Seiler laid it out pretty simply: 6 min power for zone 3 top 60 min power for zone 3 bottom / zone 2 top roughly 80% of 60 min for zone 2 bottom / zone 1 top. That gets you in the ballpark, if its too high adjust down. Most of the rides will be 60% or 70% so there is…

only after considerable discussion did Dr Seiler give out HR %. I’d say reluctantly gave out HR %. For the reasons transcribed in my post.

My take aways from episode 62 podcast:

- stay tuned for 3 more episodes over the next year
- some people using 20 min ftp test protocol are using an ftp above true physiological threshold
- sweet spot has been proven effective
- Dr Seiler has a paper where athletes self-selected intensity of 4x16 intervals, which worked out to be 85% HRmax

At least for me, 85% HRmax is exactly what I see during TR sweet spot intervals.

If true physiological threshold is important to you and your training, then stop being lazy and do a 60 minute test.

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