# Outside vs Inside workout **URL:** \ **Category:** TrainerRoad Software\ **Tags:** training-plans\ **Created:** [September 23, 2020, 2:16am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-vs-inside-workout/43287 "2020-09-23T02:16:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![cgalo\_tri](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/cgalo_tri/32/51686_2.png) [@cgalo\_tri](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/cgalo_tri)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 2:16am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-vs-inside-workout/43287/1 "2020-09-23T02:16:24Z")
I have been using TR for several years and the addition of the outside workout sync’d with my Garmin head is something that changed the way I am training when I go outdoors. This week while adjusting my training plan I noticed that a workout that suppose to be 4hrs changed to 6hrs when I switched from inside to outside workout ( both are planned to be executed at the same effort levels and TSS). I think we all agree that in most cases the workout duration of an outside wkos will change slightly since the effort not always matches up what is in the training plan but at the end of the day if you hit the IF and TSS the wko duration can be disregarded correct? I usually stay within the power range prescribed and by any means I am looking to shave wko time, it is just weird this time around seen that this much increase in wko hrs. Please help me out here!! ---
**Author:** ![stevepetts372](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/stevepetts372/32/13488_2.png) [@stevepetts372](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/stevepetts372)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 7:06am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-vs-inside-workout/43287/2 "2020-09-23T07:06:28Z")
> [@cgalo\_tri](#): > > f you hit the IF and TSS the wko duration can be disregarded correct? Which work outs? I’m looking for longer outdoor ones myself so interested to see these. I get what you mean but it’s an equation. You can’t match IF and TSS without completing the duration. Work done is a function of the time and intensity. If you match the TSS in a shorter time then your IF will be higher than you’re aiming for ---
**Author:** ![onemanpeloton](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/onemanpeloton/32/69536_2.png) [@onemanpeloton](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/onemanpeloton)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 8:06am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-vs-inside-workout/43287/3 "2020-09-23T08:06:41Z")
See link below where this topic is covered > [@Differences in duration/TSS between indoor and outdoor workouts](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/differences-in-duration-tss-between-indoor-and-outdoor-workouts/42842/5): > > Thanks for this - makes sense at one level however doesn’t appear to be particularly consistently applied (e.g. long sweetspot sessions seem to have the same duration). As per @Cory.Rood point, riding zone 2 sessions doesn’t really need the workout guidance. ---
**Author:** ![cgalo\_tri](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/cgalo_tri/32/51686_2.png) [@cgalo\_tri](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/cgalo_tri)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 12:18pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-vs-inside-workout/43287/4 "2020-09-23T12:18:19Z")
Longfellow, Kailash, Mianzimu are the wko I was referring to. Same workout intensity and stress, if you go outside you can hit the same numbers without increasing wko duration by 50%, I am challenging the software calcs for outside wko. I totally understand if you go on a group ride that this probably going to happen but in my case I maintain my IF. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![mwglow15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mwglow15/32/28576_2.png) [@mwglow15](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mwglow15)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 2:38pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-vs-inside-workout/43287/5 "2020-09-23T14:38:53Z")
Yeah for those longer Z2 workouts then I would just stick to the power targets and go until you hit the TSS. I think those longer (50% longer) times are to account for descending and other times when you can’t stay on target. For me however, I live in Michigan where my longest descent is maybe 2 minutes and I can still pedal in Z2 the whole time. So it definitely doesn’t take 50% more time to hit the TSS target. But if you live somewhere mountainous (Like Reno, NV where TR is based) you probably have a lot more descending where you can’t reasonably pedal at Z2 the whole time. ---
**Author:** ![IvyAudrain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/ivyaudrain/32/47471_2.png) [@IvyAudrain](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/IvyAudrain)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 4:18pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-vs-inside-workout/43287/6 "2020-09-23T16:18:31Z")
Hey! Im gonna close this thread let this live on where you’ve posted in the original Forum thread for this topic as well: > [@Differences in duration/TSS between indoor and outdoor workouts](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/differences-in-duration-tss-between-indoor-and-outdoor-workouts/42842/8): > > I am still confused with all this, I have been using outside wko options since it launched and just recently I noticed that the software increased the duration by 2hrs (50%increase) when I switched from inside to outside on the Longfellow wko, this also happened on some others long rides I have in my calendar. I always thought that If you hit your IF and TSS prescribed then the duration should be very similar to the inside version of the wko We want to keep things tidy so that athletes in the future who have similar questions can get the breadth of the information in one thread! You’ll get help there, too! 🤘 ---
**Author:** ![IvyAudrain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/ivyaudrain/32/47471_2.png) [@IvyAudrain](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/IvyAudrain)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 4:18pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-vs-inside-workout/43287/7 "2020-09-23T16:18:54Z")
Closed on September 23, 2020, 4:18pm UTC