# Outside 20min ftp test **URL:** \ **Category:** Training\ **Created:** [May 17, 2020, 7:07pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-20min-ftp-test/36132 "2020-05-17T19:07:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![teamkennyg](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/teamkennyg/32/1707_2.png) [@teamkennyg](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/teamkennyg)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 7:07pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-20min-ftp-test/36132/1 "2020-05-17T19:07:01Z")
Done my first outside FTP test today. I had an ftp of 245 from indoors test 2 months back and was using that for outside too the last 6 weeks which seemed pretty good. I have done a good months training and done a loop today at home which gave me power of 277 watts for 20 mins so a new FTP of 263. I got out of the saddle a few times maybe 15 secs in all but also slowed at a few junctions. Can I take this new FTP as a good figure moving forward?? ---
**Author:** ![Mylobearpup](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mylobearpup/32/35795_2.png) [@Mylobearpup](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Mylobearpup)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 8:51pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-20min-ftp-test/36132/2 "2020-05-17T20:51:24Z")
I just did almost the exact same thing, indoor ftp was 246 from the ramp test about 2 months ago, I’ve been riding outside for the last month exclusively and outdoors is always easier for me so I did the 20 min test, came out with 269. I figured that I’m gonna be training outdoors until winter I may as well have an outdoor ftp. ---
**Author:** ![teamkennyg](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/teamkennyg/32/1707_2.png) [@teamkennyg](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/teamkennyg)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-20min-ftp-test/36132/3 "2020-05-17T21:04:08Z")
Cool. Nice gains. Do you strictly stay in the saddle? ---
**Author:** ![Matt25](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/matt25/32/12586_2.png) [@Matt25](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Matt25)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-20min-ftp-test/36132/4 "2020-05-17T21:12:24Z")
Did you follow the warmup protocol of the test? Was you power fairly stable even when riding out of the saddle? ---
**Author:** ![teamkennyg](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/teamkennyg/32/1707_2.png) [@teamkennyg](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/teamkennyg)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 9:16pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-20min-ftp-test/36132/5 "2020-05-17T21:16:09Z")
I done 30 mins endurance and then a 20 min SS interval before the test. I actually wasnt planning on doing a test but just decided at that time. Out of the saddle just 4 or 5 times to get speed up a bit and yeah maybe 2 power spikes but I had to free wheel for maybe 10 seconds coming up to a junction as well. ---
**Author:** ![Mylobearpup](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mylobearpup/32/35795_2.png) [@Mylobearpup](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Mylobearpup)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 11:47pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-20min-ftp-test/36132/6 "2020-05-17T23:47:33Z")
Yes I did, surprised myself lol ---
**Author:** ![timon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/timon/32/12895_2.png) [@timon](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/timon)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 12:20am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-20min-ftp-test/36132/7 "2020-05-18T00:20:17Z")
Is it really required to spend the whole time seated in a 20min or 2x8min FTP test? I know it is for the ramp test, but I think that’s TR’s specific thing because they don’t want you standing and smashing a heroic sprint the last 20 seconds which could throw your ‘final/highest minute’ number off. Over 20 minutes, I can’t imagine it’d make much of a difference, so long as you’re somewhat smooth and not letting the wattage drop when you stand/sit. > [@teamkennyg](#): > > Can I take this new FTP as a good figure moving forward?? Absolutely. Don’t be too upset if you set that as your new TR FTP and you fail your first hard _inside_ workout though. Could be an inside/outside discrepancy, and it’s common to be able to do more watts outside than in. ---
**Author:** ![Matt25](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/matt25/32/12586_2.png) [@Matt25](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Matt25)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 7:05am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-20min-ftp-test/36132/8 "2020-05-18T07:05:53Z")
The actual test has specific warmup which, as far as I know, should be followed closely. In particular the 5 minutes all out effort is needed to clear the anaerobic stores, if I remember correctly. However I wouldn’t stress it too much, if it seems a reasonable value for you, keep it and try some workouts to see how they feel. ---
**Author:** ![Boombang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/boombang/32/38989_2.png) [@Boombang](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Boombang)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 8:02am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/outside-20min-ftp-test/36132/9 "2020-05-18T08:02:26Z")
Maybe ballpark but you aren’t comparing apples with apples so not sure how absolute it will be - indoors may have been a seated ramp test, outdoors was a 20 min potentially without following typical protocol with some slowing and standing. Even a like for like indoor/outdoor wouldn’t necessarily be comparable, let alone mixing testing standards nor not really following a specific protocol.