# New York Jets Coach Greg Knapp Dies After He’s Struck By Car While Cycling **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [July 23, 2021, 1:25pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212 "2021-07-23T13:25:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![palmerneill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8e8cbc/32.png) [@palmerneill](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/palmerneill)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 1:25pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/1 "2021-07-23T13:25:26Z")
[New York Jets Coach Greg Knapp Dies After He’s Struck By Car While Cycling](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/greg-knapp-dead_n_60fa87dee4b0ca689fa8381f) “The teen driver who struck him was reportedly texting at the time of the collision”. I will be curious to see what kind of penalty this kid gets. It’s a tough problem to think through, but damn, texting and driving is basically the new drunk driving, and our criminal justice system needs to start reflecting this. ---
**Author:** ![timon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/timon/32/12895_2.png) [@timon](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/timon)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 1:33pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/2 "2021-07-23T13:33:02Z")
> [@palmerneill](#): > > I will be curious to see what kind of penalty this kid gets. A light slap on the wrist. ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 1:33pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/3 "2021-07-23T13:33:43Z")
> [@palmerneill](#): > > It’s a tough problem to think through - Not really. People should be held responsible for their actions, plain and simple. One persons willful negligence lead to the death of another person. > [@palmerneill](#): > > texting and driving is basically the new drunk driving, and our criminal justice system needs to start reflecting this. - Indeed. Texting while driving is nothing new. We know the risks and related impacts, and laws exist prohibiting it because of those issues. Severity of penalties should reflect the consequences of the related actions. ETA: > **[A Driver Hit and Killed a Jets Assistant Coach, and No Charges Will Be Pressed](https://www.bicycling.com/news/a37081489/jets-assistant-coach-gregg-knapp-hit-by-a-driver/)** > > In July, Greg Knapp was riding in a bike lane when a driver struck and killed him. Now we’ve learned the driver won’t be charged. ---
**Author:** ![ABG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@ABG](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ABG)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 1:58pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/4 "2021-07-23T13:58:06Z")
I like how espn calls it a bike accident. He was killed by someone violating the law. Manslaughter and a large financial cost should be levied. ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/5 "2021-07-23T14:00:45Z")
Yeah, that’s why I added the article above. There is clear misreporting taking place in many outlets. It also goes to show that this too often falls into the realm of “victim blaming” and otherwise downplaying the actual incident and responsibility (_driver behind the wheel of a lethal weapon_). ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 2:04pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/6 "2021-07-23T14:04:48Z")
This perfectly shows the slanted headline despite the more accurate info in the body: > **[Jets assistant coach Greg Knapp dies after bicycle crash](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/obituaries/jets-assistant-coach-greg-knapp-dies-following-bicycle-crash-n1274804)** > > Knapp, who never regained consciousness after a bicycle crash Saturday, died Thursday surrounded by his family, his agent confirmed. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/5/4/546b5b43ac9dc83f87f3f0d3cd7e7cf24b76bba9.png) > Knapp, 58, was an avid cyclist who was riding Saturday in San Ramon in Northern California when a motorist swerved into the bike lane and hit him, said his agent, Jeff Sperbeck. How in the hell is this a labeled “bicycle crash” when a driver with a motor vehicle was the ultimate cause of the collision? Irresponsible reporting IMO. ---
**Author:** ![ABG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@ABG](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ABG)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 2:15pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/7 "2021-07-23T14:15:22Z")
message those news places and explain this isnt a bike accident ---
**Author:** ![JT\_34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jt_34/32/123966_2.png) [@JT\_34](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/JT_34)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 2:25pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/8 "2021-07-23T14:25:04Z")
Only problem is every news source who has an article on this incident has pretty much labeled it the same thing. Headline says nothing about him being struck by a car and how it’s the drivers fault. ---
**Author:** ![Cleanneon98](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/cleanneon98/32/80252_2.png) [@Cleanneon98](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Cleanneon98)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 2:26pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/9 "2021-07-23T14:26:17Z")
Headlines are designed to get clicks, not report facts ---
**Author:** ![palmerneill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8e8cbc/32.png) [@palmerneill](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/palmerneill)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 2:28pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/10 "2021-07-23T14:28:34Z")
What I am getting at is how to think of justice/punishment in terms of (1) protecting society from the specific individual (2) society-wide deterrence and (3) punishment. I usually believe in focusing almost exclusively on number one - protecting society from the individual. However, when you have instances where society is not taking a problem seriously enough then harsh penalties for society-wide deterrence need to be considered. This results in an overly harsh penalty for the offender (harsher than they probably deserve for the specific individual action), but one that is needed for the benefit and health of the overall society. The basic question is: is it fair to send this kid to prison for ten years for doing the same exact thing thousands of others do every day but are lucky enough to get away with it, whereas this kid just had the bad moral luck of killing someone (when the others got away with the same action). It can easily have been someone else who had to pay this price, but the random number generator that is the universe just selected this kid instead. In some ways, this is highly unjust, but it also may be needed to correct society. ---
**Author:** ![hubcyclist](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/hubcyclist/32/14363_2.png) [@hubcyclist](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/hubcyclist)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 2:43pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/11 "2021-07-23T14:43:42Z")
Penalties for killing a cyclist should be severe. If I, as a 41 year old with a 10 y/o, was killed while cycling, my child would be without a parent forever. Any penalty they can throw at a driver pales in comparison to the loss to a family ---
**Author:** ![ABG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@ABG](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ABG)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 2:53pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/12 "2021-07-23T14:53:43Z")
You could say the same about drunk driving. You killing someone was just the luck of the draw while you were driving drunk. 10% of people are driving drunk ---
**Author:** ![ABG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@ABG](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ABG)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 2:55pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/13 "2021-07-23T14:55:13Z")
In order for laws to change about the killing of cyclists, voters need to care. Most voters view cyclist as road debris impeding there path to a destination. I am from the states also ---
**Author:** ![palmerneill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8e8cbc/32.png) [@palmerneill](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/palmerneill)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/14 "2021-07-23T15:06:03Z")
Yes, it is nearly the same exact scenario. Basically texting and driving is where drunk driving was in the late 1970’s. It took harsh penalties combined with a decades-long awareness campaign by MADD to start changing behavior. ---
**Author:** ![ABG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@ABG](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ABG)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 3:28pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/15 "2021-07-23T15:28:22Z")
We need to start pushing that. I wouldnt be opposed to all cell devices not working while in the car but for phone calls. ---
**Author:** ![aaikins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/aaikins/32/47871_2.png) [@aaikins](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/aaikins)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 3:33pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/16 "2021-07-23T15:33:37Z")
Agree a tech solution is probably the best way forward. Phone screen should just be black if you are driving. They would have to figure out how to tell who is the driver and who is the passenger but I think this is doable. Ultimately this gets solved by self driving cars but that is a ways off, unfortunately. As much as I like road riding I have stopped riding on the roads. Only bike paths, trails, trainer. I can’t get past having my life in the hands of drivers, many who are looking at phones or under the influence of something. ---
**Author:** ![palmerneill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8e8cbc/32.png) [@palmerneill](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/palmerneill)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/17 "2021-07-23T15:37:42Z")
This shidt is still crazy to me. In 1987 you could legally drink and drive in Texas (as well as many other states). “Despite a tightening of laws in recent years, 15 states, including Texas, had no laws as of January 1987 against consuming alcoholic beverages at the wheel, although there are local ordinances against it in many cities in those states, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Until the Texas law goes into effect, it will still be possible to drive the 3,000 or so miles from Key West, Fla., to northern New Mexico without putting down your drink.” [https://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/11/us/choice-in-texas-to-dring-or-drive.html](https://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/11/us/choice-in-texas-to-dring-or-drive.html) ---
**Author:** ![hubcyclist](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/hubcyclist/32/14363_2.png) [@hubcyclist](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/hubcyclist)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/18 "2021-07-23T15:38:02Z")
> [@aaikins](#): > > Only bike paths, trails, trainer While I completely understand this point of view, I think ultimately by retreating and becoming ‘invisible’ to motorists, then we let the folks who wish to not have bikes on the road win. So I definitely understand self-preservation and all, but I think we need to be active and visible ---
**Author:** ![berto2cj](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/berto2cj/32/4413_2.png) [@berto2cj](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/berto2cj)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/19 "2021-07-23T15:44:29Z")
F this. RIP. ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 3:55pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212/21 "2021-07-23T15:55:33Z")
> [@hubcyclist](#): > > Penalties for killing a _cyclist_ should be severe. _human_ I don’t care if they are sitting, standing, walking, biking, juggling, basket weaving, what have you… the label and action cause a loss of the key issue here (_causing the death of a fellow human being_). [Next page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/new-york-jets-coach-greg-knapp-dies-after-he-s-struck-by-car-while-cycling/61212.md?page=2)