MV Build, sweet spot day not progressing each week? [Resolved ✅ ]

I’m a few weeks into the build phase for my plan. When I hit build, I switched from LV to MV. Not every week but I usually still ride outside on the weekends and extend my workout with more zone 2 after the intervals are over.

I noticed that sweet spot progression levels are not increasing. In fact, last weekend I selected a harder one that I smashed, noticed it left the next weeks progression the same. I manually changed it harder.

then, after I completed my next workout (today), it the AI detection swapped that same sweet spot workout back down below what I even did last sunday.

What gives? Is it supposed to be doing this?

The only thing I can think of is accidentally hit a button on my keyboard and went from ERG to 50% resistance mode and ground myself to a halt for 15 seconds while I wondered what was going on with my trainer. Did that cause the AI detection to think I failed?

Hey @_1_1_1_1_com!

I’m going to take a look into this for you and I’ll get back to you when I have a clearer picture of what’s going on here :+1: .

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Just to circle back around in case other people have a similar question; Workouts included in your Training Plan will prompt adaptations. Manually scheduling workouts (by searching our Workout Library) will not directly impact the adaptations to your Training Plan as they are not associated to the original Training Plan. If you want to find a Workout similar but of a different duration or difficulty to your originally scheduled Workout, I suggest you use Workout Alternatives.

Workout Alternates are workout recommendations with a similar difficulty and workout profile as your original workout. It can be used to find workouts that are longer, shorter, or the same length as the original workout. Using Adaptive Training, Workout Alternates allow you to select a preferred difficulty in addition to choosing a duration. Difficulty levels are measured in comparison to your Progression Level for the workout’s training zone.

You can learn more about Workout Alternatives here: How to use Workout Alternates.

Hello @SarahLaverty, this statement sparks a question in my mind. It may have been asked and answered in another thread, but i’ve not found it thus far. On my last scheduled Ramp Test day, rather than take the test, i clicked the AI FTPD button. As my FTP only went up a few watts (3, IIRC), i chose to decline it to continue to allow my PL’s to climb (right or wrong, i’m not sure).

Due to a recent bug i’ve read about in the forums, the decline doesn’t SWAP out the Ramp Test (it didn’t for me that day), so I manually chose a replacement workout from the library (not realizing how it would affect AT). How will workout alternates work on Test day declines/future adaptations? Are alternates actually provided on test day (TBH i haven’t looked and don’t have another test scheduled for a few weeks)?

Hey @Will_Peters!

Can you please point me toward the conversation that you are seeing this discussed?

Did you get to this screen and select “Keep Current FTP”?

Your Ramp test should have been replaced by a Workout if you got to the above page. However, if you got to the page shown below but didn’t go any further, your Ramp test will have not been replaced with a Workout.

Let me know and we can take it from there!

Hello @SarahLaverty, thank you for the response. As far as the “bug” is concerned, i’ll see if I can’t dig up the conversation where i read about it. I am using the term “bug” loosely TBH, as I don’t believe that was specifically mentioned by anyone at TR, but rather it was more so a conversation by forum users… either way, i’ll see if I can dig it up and get back to you.

As far as the AI FTPD/WO swap scenario goes, the exact order of things is a bit fuzzy now, but i’ll do my best to lay it out as I recall it. I know i’ve seen BOTH those pages recently, though TBH i don’t remember the order. IIRC, a couple weeks prior to my last RT, I had clicked the AI FTPD detection button within my account settings. I think that was when I got BOTH pages. The 2nd, then the 1st one and I chose the option to “Keep my Current FTP”.

Then comes RT day, i clicked the detection button again. I knew it hadn’t been 28 days, and the message that popped up made reference to my previous detection was still valid for 10ish days and i once again got the option to accept or decline from the 1st screen above, which I declined again. It was at that point, I would have expected the swap to occur. Perhaps because I was still in that original 28 day window from the previous detection that the swap didn’t happen?

Also, one other thing comes to mind… Not sure if it has any bearing on what I saw with regards to the lack of a swap but thought I’d put it out there. I work a rotating 12hr shift schedule and always prefer to have my longer training sessions fall on my OFF days from work, which is currently Mon-Wed. Because of this, I will manually reschedule sessions at times, which happened with my last RT, which I moved from Mon to Thursday last week. Could the manual reschedule of the RT from its default Monday schedule have caused any issues?

All the above said, my next RT is scheduled at the start of my next block on 1/9/23, which will also be shifted due to my work schedule. I’ll pay a bit closer attention to the order of things for this next one if it will help?