# Masters TR user **URL:** \ **Category:** Training\ **Created:** [April 24, 2022, 12:25pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974 "2022-04-24T12:25:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![brenth](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/brenth/32/12893_2.png) [@brenth](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/brenth)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 10:16pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974/22 "2022-04-28T22:16:56Z")
Yeah I dont follow the plan as they have never had a 4 day option. They have always said take LV and add a workout or take MV and drop the easiest. I did this the last two years and still get run down following their plan. It is definitely my own issues of riding and my own stress from work. And yes I dont trust the system…it doesnt know what it isnt told. ---
**Author:** ![Helvellyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/helvellyn/32/95205_2.png) [@Helvellyn](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Helvellyn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 7:13am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974/23 "2022-04-29T07:13:39Z")
Good news. Maybe. Polarised build is 4 days per week. 1 VO2 max. 1 Threshold. 2 Endurance. ---
**Author:** ![Hampstenfan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/hampstenfan/32/7725_2.png) [@Hampstenfan](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Hampstenfan)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 5:46pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974/24 "2022-04-29T17:46:40Z")
Where are you seeing Pol Build at 4 days? I’m not seeing that when I look at the dropdown options for the build segment on my PB plan on the calendar. Shows 2 endurance, and one intensity. ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 5:48pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974/25 "2022-04-29T17:48:39Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/2/4/2466eb32736c601b6ce6c5537232d1ba97b85686.png) - [Log In to TrainerRoad](https://www.trainerroad.com/app/cycling/plans/253--experimental-8-week-polarized-plan-mid-volume) ---
**Author:** ![Bigpikle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bigpikle/32/11213_2.png) [@Bigpikle](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Bigpikle)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974/26 "2022-04-29T17:49:24Z")
you have to select it from the Pol plan options, and for that you have to select experimental beta options in your profile. Pol plans dont appear in Plan Builder as they’re still classed as experimental by TR ---
**Author:** ![Helvellyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/helvellyn/32/95205_2.png) [@Helvellyn](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Helvellyn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:32pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974/27 "2022-04-29T18:32:18Z")
… and 4 days is Polarised Build Mid Volume ---
**Author:** ![Hampstenfan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/hampstenfan/32/7725_2.png) [@Hampstenfan](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Hampstenfan)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 11:42pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974/28 "2022-04-29T23:42:47Z")
> [@Helvellyn](#): > > and 4 days is Polarised Build Mid Volume Ah, that’s what I was missing. Had all the other parts figured out as that’s how I did Exp Pol LV for base 1 and base 2. When I originally built the plan there was no Exp Pol build. And somehow I was thinking you wrote LV was 4 workouts/week. ---
**Author:** ![Ede71](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/ede71/32/7721_2.png) [@Ede71](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Ede71)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974/29 "2022-04-30T15:10:54Z")
I often swap the long treshhold workouts for longer tempo/ endurance rides. Thats not so hard. And makes more fun. ---
**Author:** ![SW0000](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/sw0000/32/7721_2.png) [@SW0000](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/SW0000)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974/30 "2022-05-16T15:50:56Z")
Thanks. Will check out that workout. ---
**Author:** ![SW0000](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/sw0000/32/7721_2.png) [@SW0000](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/SW0000)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974/31 "2022-05-16T15:51:22Z")
Thanks for the reply. Good advice. ---
**Author:** ![SW0000](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/sw0000/32/7721_2.png) [@SW0000](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/SW0000)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 3:52pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974/32 "2022-05-16T15:52:55Z")
Thanks. Sounds like a plan I will look into. ---
**Author:** ![SW0000](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/sw0000/32/7721_2.png) [@SW0000](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/SW0000)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 3:57pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974/33 "2022-05-16T15:57:23Z")
Sounds great. Thanks for the suggestions. ---
**Author:** ![Sonny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/sonny/32/104384_2.png) [@Sonny](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Sonny)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 4:07pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974/34 "2022-05-16T16:07:49Z")
I’d highly recommend that you read Joe Friel’s book “Fast after 50”. At the root of it he recommends 1x vo2max session, 1x sweetspot session and 1x Long Endurance Ride per week. Filled in with a couple of z2 rides. His book gives detailed recommendations of interval durations too. > **[Fast After 50: How to Race Strong for the Rest of Your Life: Amazon.co.uk: Joe...](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fast-After-50-Race-Strong/dp/1937715264?tag=raineoad-21)** > > Buy Fast After 50: How to Race Strong for the Rest of Your Life 1st, February 2015 by Joe Friel (ISBN: 8601419308651) from Amazon's Book Store. Everyday low prices and free delivery on eligible orders. ---
**Author:** ![ericallenboyd](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/ericallenboyd/32/37233_2.png) [@ericallenboyd](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ericallenboyd)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974/35 "2022-05-16T17:19:34Z")
Personally if I were you I would look into Traditional Base plans. I have used them in the past and they are pretty great. LV3 is 4 workouts but my personal favorite is MV2 but I like more endurance style rides. I am adding that one to my calendar as I need a little more structure for the next couple of months. They are forgotten by a lot of people which is interesting as I think they could work well for a lot of people. There are some levels though that are pretty mundane with the same workout each day. Some of them might look easy but they definitively can push you, especially when you get to MV3 and above. ---
**Author:** ![brenth](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/brenth/32/12893_2.png) [@brenth](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/brenth)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974/36 "2022-05-16T19:17:59Z")
I get what your saying but for AT to manage my ftp I am not picking a plan type as I use Plan builder and tweak away ---
**Author:** ![ericallenboyd](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/ericallenboyd/32/37233_2.png) [@ericallenboyd](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ericallenboyd)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974/37 "2022-05-16T19:26:52Z")
Good luck on your journey. I am not too fussed on the whole FTP number as it is not very flexible as I would like because I know my strengths/weaknesses and I believe 1 arbitrary number not is good for all workout types. It has gotten better with the model being implemented though. Not trying to get into a back and forth it is just my view on it. [Previous page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/masters-tr-user/71974.md?page=1)