"I've got this" - Coaching yourself and running your own cycling program

I think TR did 80% of the heavy lifting when I reintroduced structured training. Totally don’t regret it and would recommend it to others without question. I would just advise them to think of TR as a self-coaching tool and they need to make it fit their schedule, preferences and constraints. I just found after some time that I didn’t think cycling LV plans (+ 2 active recovery rides, + 2 aerobic endurance rides) was giving me progression in the interval sessions and my modifications became more and more extensive and at some point I was doing most of the work.

I don’t want to get nitpicked, but I don’t think it is that difficult to design base / build phases based on principles of progressing interval length / workout TiZ when working certain energy systems and progressing power with others.

I have been contemplating trying to get a ‘self-coaching assessment’ from a coach / coaching company I respect to get a less biased view (hopefully) and feedback on things to incorporate or just things I didn’t think about. That might be a one-off thing I could do once or twice a year if I felt it was worth it based on the feedback I was getting.

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Base is definitely the time to push CTL up as high as you can. Therefore focusing on TSS in base phases is sort of necessary. You do this in prep for build when you do threshold, VO2 work, etc…where CTL and TSS are not necessarily comparable to base phase. The focus in build is more time in zones. I hesitate to write quality over quantity because that’s not it but @kurt.braeckel alluded to it writing about training the 3 energy systems.

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For me a key was to just keep it simple and not overcomplicate the plan. I watched a bunch of Tim Cusick’s webinars and videos from other coaches and there are some basic themes about progressing interval length and TiZ for threshold and below, and increasing power for VO2max workouts. Building a basic tempo → sweetspot progression during base, or threshold / over-under / suprathreshold progression during build, or vo2max progression doesn’t have to be super complicated, especially if you do 2 hard workouts a week. There is only so much you can fit in.

My perspective, as a 42 year old who has been riding for 17 years, is that even if my prior ‘training’ wasn’t optimal it still benefits me now. And even if what I do now isn’t optimal it will benefit me for the rest of my cycling career. If I mess up one year, its just not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. I have 28 years to become that 70 year old guy giving young punks beatdowns that I want to be.

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I view CTL / TSS as a result of my training plan, not the goal or target. During base I focus on progressing aerobic endurance rides (duration) on the weekends and progressing tempo / sweet spot intervals (interval duration and time in zone) during the week + active recovery. The plan is designed around trying to achieve specific adaptions. The result of those progressions is my CTL rises, but I don’t aim for a specific target or reverse engineer my plan based on TSS / CTL targets.

I think a lot of people would be better served by having a ‘purpose’ for the rides in their plans and letting the TSS / CTL fall where it may and be a measure of their plan instead of the goal.

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TL;DR: Yes.

Skipped answering the OP, but short answer here is “yes”. Then again, I am a certified coach for both triathlon and cycling, so, there’s that.

My history in this:

  • Started racing tris way back in 2005, completely self-coached along the way, generally following Joe Friel’s Training Bible methods with a good amount of success (qualified for AG nationals and a bunch of AG wins at local events, but bombed my first 70.3 attempt).

  • Off and on training and self-coaching from about 2010-2015. Complex military lifestyle precluded me from training regularly, and my racing was scattered.

  • 2016, decided to take a shot at Worlds in Chicago. A friend retired and was coaching full-time and picked me up one year for free and the next year at a crazy discount. I enjoyed being coached because I didn’t have to spend time planning and tracking. My performances were pretty good. I didn’t have a great race at nationals but qualified to worlds, didn’t have a great race at worlds but that was just icing anyway. Most of my issues were life and schedule related - again not being able to put in the time I wanted to.

  • 2018 I took a shot at Kona/Nice qualification in a 70.3, but training was spotty until about 2 months before the race. Did pretty well, but bike leg was significantly slower than competition. That and the presence of kids - and thus not enough time to train for triathlons for a little while - brought me to TR.

  • Did TR’s plans in 2019, grew a bit. Recognized limitations of TR’s plans based on my own experience from almost 15 years of competition and self-coaching, decided to customize TR’s plans to my liking for 2020. Improved more, focused only on cycling.

  • 2021 completely custom self-coaching again, fully invested in WKO5 for planning and tracking, using TR as my trainer workout platform. Kind of all the years of experience on my own, coaching runners, and using other coaches and TR have combined to make this my year of my biggest gains yet (e.g. FTP up from last season’s high of 276 in September to 290 as of today). Still just riding and racing bikes. Tris will come in time.

I still make mistakes, but I’m much better at listening to my body and less wrapped around the axle about nailing my plan 100% of the time. My plan is a point of departure, and I am still very much learning - that’s why I’m in this forum… lots of good learnings here if you’re open-minded.

To me, the hardest part about self-coaching: we always think we can do MORE, and we try. And most often, the better answer is to do a bit less, particularly when building and training above threshold.

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Yeah when I start base with a ctl of say 60 I plan a ramp rate to reach say 90 by the end of base. The TSS is what it is to get me there. It’s not a direct goal per se.

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Some really fantastic responses in here. Really valuable hearing everyone’s stories and how they got to a point where they felt comfortable either seeking out an in person coach, or, alternatively, improving their knowledge and going solo. I am really enjoying this thread and seeing other view points and training progressions.

So, as an example to people reading this thread (and because I like to share learning), I thought I would share an example of a session that I now program into my threshold block after being able to have the opportunity as an assistant doing some testing. For fear of writing a thesis here, I will try and keep it brief!

The study is, in a round about way, challenging the way that we train threshold with the traditional over/under models. The lead researchers believe that there has to be a better way to train lactate clearance and buffering etc. that is more in line with race specific efforts. I won’t be doing the study justice by providing such a short synopsis here, but basically we tested the physiological response of different riders using a more race specific “attack and hold” over/under block against a more traditional 2min above and 1min below model - lactate levels were the main marker. The “attack and hold” (it won’t be called that in the paper, I have just affectionately named it that) block has a whole lit review on it and was based upon a generalization of a “typical” (if you can call it that) small attack in a road race.

I can’t write about the results because I am not the lead author and it is still being written up, but I can write about some trends … I will do that below the outline of the actual session that I now include in my own block. Keep in mind that in the actual study, the participants did a 90min Z2 ride prior to the threshold attack/hold blocks. Also, in my adaptation, I only have 1 x 1min surge whereas in the actual study the participants did 2-3. I have just adapted the attack/hold block to a single session that I can do in the mornings before the day starts. A 90min session is a lot more manageable than a 3hr session!

Anyway, the actual threshold block (my adaptation) is essentially 3min @ 95%FTP, 1min @ 105% FTP, 3min @ 95% FTP and then a 7min block at 85% FTP. Works out to be a 14min threshold block in total that closely simulates the short attacks late in a ride that occur. Once again, it has been adapted to suit my lifestyle but it is an example of how I have incorporated my own learning into my own training program. My session is 90 minutes, 105 TSS and 0.84 IF.

So the trends, well, I can say that the body does get used to specific methods of training pretty quickly. For those highly training athletes that have done traditional over/unders for years, they become pretty darn good at getting through those 2min on and 1 min off. Throw them into some different threshold blocks and you have a different story. It is almost as if the body says, what do you mean I have to push for another minute at this wattage?! Hello H+ molecules. So in this sense, any training modification that shocks the system and is new (but safe and smart!) is always going to produce physiological stress.

Another trend is that as the intervals go on, generally in the 3rd one, the last 7min interval of the block becomes quite challenging on the RPE scale. It is, essentially, sweet spot but feels like upper threshold/VO2 (depending on the rider). Unfortunately due to Covid, we haven’t had the chance to re-test but it could possibly be that that 7 minute block enhances repeatability and hydrogen buffering in later sessions.

Anyway, thought it was good to share as an example of how sometimes you learn things along the way and think to yourself, “OK I will try that” when you start self-coaching. I do the session in my own blocks now and I really enjoy it as I know it resembles somewhat of an actual attack out there on the road rather than a more traditional approach.

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My coach is with FasCat, and they have all sorts of interesting variations on over-unders. Here are a few examples:

Had one on my calendar last week that made me a little nervous, similar but different from yours above (a little harder above threshold, slightly easier below threshold). Seemed possible to complete given my recent efforts, but I caught a flu bug and ended up taking last week off. This week it looks like he put a more tame ‘castle’ :metal: (put that into an interval) on my calendar.

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More like, “Hold my beer …”

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I adapted my over unders this year to be more race specific as well, attack and repeat, specifically. It’s a similar protocol to one of FasCat’s suggestions but goal is still lactate shuttle - repeating 5min power followed by 92-94% for 3-4x as long. E.g. 1min at 5min power - 3 min at 92%, five rounds per set, two sets.

I found it good early season race prep, and it keeps highish power sharp during a threshold block.

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This is fantastic. We are finding that the more race specific over/unders are highly beneficial; especially toward athletes that are well trained and have grown accustomed to traditional 2:1 (as an example) over/unders. Our current questions are around what is the best way to train immediately after a round of race specific attacking over/unders. Is it SS? Or is the metabolic cost not worth it? Is it Z2? Or does higher intensity yield better lactate buffering? It’s really interesting … unfortunately Covid has really affected our lab time so it’s all a bit up in the air in terms of convulsions. Only themes have emerged at the moment but inconclusive themes and not defensible without more testing which is frustrating!

Gahhh, the old flu. Hope you’re feeling better and able to train this week!

Sort of related to this thread…Do people find it useful to go through some of the USAC coaching certifications if you don’t have any plans of coaching anyone but yourself? I’ve considered it just to maybe be a bit more well rounded and you always end up learning something new when you are forced through a curriculum vs just reading ad hoc.

But I’m interested in hearing what people’s thought are.

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