This is what I was thinking would happen. 7x3min at 120% is most likely not a level 5 VO2 workout. I would suspect itās on the higher end of things rather than the middle in terms of that energy system. What level is Spencer +2? That one is always my major stumbling block in the progression for me.
OMG! No wonder Spencer slays me every time! Thatās such a high level.
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I had the exact same thought as I was looking at it!
I had an āAdaptive Trainingā workout today. Not that I am in the Beta or anything, I just couldnt face Kaiser, so pushed it down to Kaiser -1. Happy days!
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Last questionā¦Rattlesnake variants 
Yea, I agreeā¦ I will probably start doing that for a few days going forward and see what happens. It would be interesting if I could retroactively link a couple bigger efforts like my hour of power ride this past weekend, and a couple with long SS blocks in them to at least kick start what itās recommending. Iāll be watching to see if any of these retroactive reloading ideas could work.
Iām most interested in using it to make a more customized VO2 progression while just doing SS/Z2 as Iāve been doing on Rouvy - that may be relatively straightforward if it converges quickly on new TR VO2 max ride data.
Interesting that Spencer -4 is so much higher than Breasted. Struggle 4x3min and shoot through the ranksā¦
I already see the discussionā¦āWith VO2max Iām training a state and no powerā¦13x30/15 gives me much more time at HR>90% HRpeak than 4x3minā¦why is it scored so lowā¦ā
Interestingly, I just opened TR app again - completely different and way more appropriate recommendations on TrainNow than yesterday. Instead of VO2 max workouts < 0.8, good mix of stuff that looks like āsolidā and āstretchā level, and now all the SS/threshold recommendations are much longer.
Itās as if the ML robots are reading my forum commentaryā¦ 
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I think this is where the sub-progressions that @SeanHurley mentioned come into play. Progressing through short shorts is different than progressing through 3 minute intervals. So depending on the plan you use, your sub-progressions may be different for the same energy system at different times of that plan.
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Iāve never done SuperTaku, but Iāve had days that feel like SuperTaku.
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Yes, but this sub-progression is just pre-considered in the plan designā¦giving you more short/short then moving to longer intervals. But itās not that you have individual levels for short/shorts and long.
Iām on my 4th block of ssbmv2 in a row and complete all the workouts no problem (although I find the outside ones easier tbh) The FTP keeps going up and Iām almost at my best ever FTP (using other platforms) with half my usual TSS and itās only early March. Thanks TR!
But I am beginning to get a little bored with doing the same workouts and feel like, even though my FTP has gone up each time, the early progression V02 max workouts (30 secs, 60 secs) are too easy and I might be under-challenging myself early on) I wonder what AT will make of this. I know I could throw in a build to spice things up, but Iām pretty sure I heard @Nate_Pearson say in a podcast, if the gains keep coming keep repeating the base?
Will AT start throwing in harder workout variants each time I repeat a SSBMV2 block, knowing that I am getting very good at doing these types of workouts and could do with something to challenge me more? Canāt wait to find out.
I have never seen any of those Rattlesnake workouts before on my calendarā¦I hope that trend continues 
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Since many of you are interested, I checked in with the product team to verify how TR Outside Workouts and unstructured rides (outside or from other platforms) work. I donāt have a ton of experience with this yet as I was injured most of the winter, and coupled with the weather I have only ridden one structured Outside Workout using AT. It was so seamlessly incorporated into my normal training adaptations that I didnāt even realize until this moment that it was something of note. Anywayā¦
Structured TR Outside workouts work just like indoor rides, and this functionality is enabled in the current closed beta. Adaptive Training assesses your success on the workout just like it does for an indoor workout, and youāre given the completion survey next time you log onto the app. Currently, I think the survey for Outside Workouts is only enabled on TR web, but itāll be added to the mobile apps shortly. Naturally, the system is much more forgiving for deviations from outside workout structure, as youāre going to encounter stop signs/ turns etc outside.
Unstructured rides (or structured rides from outside TR) are analyzed by the system and assigned a predominant training zone, and assigned a difficulty level to determine how they affect that zoneās respective progression level. There will be the option to assign the ride to a different training zone if you disagree with the MLās conclusion, and will likely also be an option to exclude the ride from impacting your Progression Levels. This might be useful in the case of a race, where an all-out effort might be equivalent to a 10.0 workout, but you would not want it to bump up the intensity of your training from day to day that dramatically. Unstructured rides will not trigger a success/fail judgement, since thereās no structure to measure that against. They also donāt trigger a post-workout survey.
Unstructured rides are not currently being analyzed or classified in the beta, but this is our number one development priority and will be coming very soon- definitely by the time full AT rolls out to the public. The system for this works very well right now, weāre just tweaking and refining it to be as useful for the real world as possible.
I hope that answers most of your questions!
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One open question is if something is changed/recalculated for an unstructured outside ride if you set āassociate withā for that ride to a workout (after the fact) or change an existing association.
BRB, building a ML model for predicting developer productivity and debugging code and machine learning models.
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as I understand it, associating a ride with a TR structured workout always makes that planned workoutās zone and structure the operative one by which the ride is judged. Adding an association after the fact would likely trigger a āmissed surveyā notification, which is the same thing that happens if you skip a survey now. You could then answer the post-workout RPE survey for that ride and itād be factored into your progressions.
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Kudos to the whole team and the massive move ahead. It makes total sense to do a slow and deliberate roll-out of something like this. Whatās funny is in todayās world of āorder it today and its on my doorstep tomorrow,ā itās easy to want it now. So far I really like the āTrain Nowā feature as a smarter way to adjust or add to a scheduled plan. Of course, I believe I am a bit on the fringe of the bell curve.
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Iām 100% with you in general. However I donāt see how my cycling performance/need for adaptations in my training plan has anything to do with my ethnicity?