# šŸŽ‰ šŸŽ‰ šŸŽ‰ Introducing Adaptive Training! šŸŽ‰ šŸŽ‰ šŸŽ‰ **URL:** \ **Category:** TrainerRoad Software\ **Created:** [February 25, 2021, 4:01pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025 "2021-02-25T16:01:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 80
**Author:** ![John\_Hallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/john_hallas/32/1213_2.png) [@John\_Hallas](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/John_Hallas)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 2:34pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1687 "2021-03-09T14:34:15Z")
Which is exactly what a couch should be assisting you with. AT is under-priced if it delivers that, which I have no doubts it will do. ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 2:38pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1688 "2021-03-09T14:38:47Z")
I agree. I have only done one full ā€œworkā€ week in the AT so far, but the adaptions applied are notably better than the ā€œdefaultā€ TR plan that was in place. I have a recovery week, then a new Ramp test and the first week of my official Build. I am interested to see how that and the following week work. I am hopeful the plan will change to allow me to successfully complete the 3:1 schedule compared to my prior 2:1 that was needed to follow the default TR plans. ---
**Author:** ![tonistali](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/tonistali/32/7725_2.png) [@tonistali](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/tonistali)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1689 "2021-03-09T14:58:54Z")
3:1? 3 workout days and one off? ---
**Author:** ![d\_diston](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/d_diston/32/10140_2.png) [@d\_diston](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/d_diston)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1690 "2021-03-09T15:00:10Z")
Weeks, probablyā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![John\_Hallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/john_hallas/32/1213_2.png) [@John\_Hallas](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/John_Hallas)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1691 "2021-03-09T15:00:30Z")
> [@bfrostieone](#): > > Whatā€™s an ā€œad-hocā€ plan? An oxymoron ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 3:02pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1692 "2021-03-09T15:02:00Z")
Yes, 3 work weeks to 1 recovery week, is the typical Build plan layout. I adopted a 2:1 ratio that worked far better for my aging body. - [Alternate Build or Specialty, Work : Recovery Week Layout](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/alternate-build-or-specialty-work-recovery-week-layout/39070) I have a similar one for Base that was actually my entry into adding recovery weeks and altering the main plan layout. - [Alternate Sweet Spot Base, Work : Recovery Week Layout](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/alternate-sweet-spot-base-work-recovery-week-layout/8790) ---
**Author:** ![hubcyclist](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/hubcyclist/32/14363_2.png) [@hubcyclist](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/hubcyclist)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 3:08pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1693 "2021-03-09T15:08:30Z")
Just an update on how Iā€™m using progressions in a mini block Iā€™m doing. Last week I did Monadnock -1, rated a 5.1 VO2 workout (had 2min intervals at 120%), and today I did Givens -3, rated a 5.5 VO2 workout (2.5mins intervals at 118%). Got through it, the hurt really started to happen on the last interval. I think thereā€™s something to be said about taking a workout that is rated slightly above the prior one and pushing oneself to finish, as opposed to trying to get through a more highly rated workout that is a big leap beyond prior efforts. So, at least in the context of planning my own workouts, Iā€™m really digging the progressions ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Tate](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/michael_tate/32/76007_2.png) [@Michael\_Tate](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Michael_Tate)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 4:46pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1694 "2021-03-09T16:46:48Z")
Saw an e-mail from TR this morning. Got really excited. Saw it was their weekly newsletter. Got bummed out. ---
**Author:** ![hvvelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/hvvelo/32/7746_2.png) [@hvvelo](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/hvvelo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1695 "2021-03-09T17:22:45Z")
I forgot to see if ā€œGet left out of the AT betaā€ was one of the 10 ways to get slower on your bike šŸ˜„ ---
**Author:** ![jzhowie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jzhowie/32/17846_2.png) [@jzhowie](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/jzhowie)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1696 "2021-03-09T17:41:03Z")
Same ---
**Author:** ![Hampstenfan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/hampstenfan/32/7725_2.png) [@Hampstenfan](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Hampstenfan)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 6:29pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1697 "2021-03-09T18:29:28Z")
@mcneese.chad, does this work when the original plan was set in Plan Builder? It seems when I tweak whatā€™s there it tells me I can no longer make changes, and end up having to build a new plan with a modified start date to get me to where I am today ā€“ but not sure how I can modify going forward without having to do that again for a second mod. ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 6:43pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1698 "2021-03-09T18:43:44Z")
No, my mods are not Plan Builder friendly. If you want to follow my alterations, itā€™s easiest to just add them via the old methods, not PB. Anytime I tried using Plan Builder, it created more of a mess. ---
**Author:** ![mrpedro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mrpedro/32/59752_2.png) [@mrpedro](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mrpedro)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1699 "2021-03-09T19:18:28Z")
To powermatch means that you use the power data of your power meter to control the smart trainer resistance and get comparable data this way. But if you donā€™t wanā€™t or canā€™t switch over the outside power meter for inside rides, that is not possible. I have the same thing as I use a hometrainer for inside and donā€™t want to switch power pedals all the time. This could be a solution: [https://www.fitfiletools.com](https://www.fitfiletools.com) It allows you to take a fit file and adjust the power data with a fixed %, before uploading to TR. ---
**Author:** ![SeeEl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/seeel/32/15191_2.png) [@SeeEl](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/SeeEl)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1700 "2021-03-09T21:15:38Z")
And some power meters will allow you to adjust the slope so you can bring it more into line with the trainer. First job really is to get the outside power meter on the trainer and do a varied workout and record both separately and compare the power outputs of both. If you can adjust the slope of your power meter and bring it to within a reasonable difference of your trainer you can continue using separate bikes (and power meters) indoors and out. @dcrainmaker has a power file comparison tool on his website and quite possibly articles or videos on this whole topic. Hopefully someone else will chime in with more detail on the specifics. ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Pearson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/nate_pearson/32/117463_2.png) [@Nate\_Pearson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Nate_Pearson)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 9:35pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1701 "2021-03-09T21:35:15Z")
> [@wbendus](#): > > @Nate_Pearson Might SMO2 and/or THb data from a Moxy sensor provide some useful insight to how prepared the muscles are to workā€¦? Maybe. This is hard because not many people have this device. With new measurement devices, you get into a chicken/egg situation. I think thereā€™s lower hanging fruit at first to feed into the model. ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Pearson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/nate_pearson/32/117463_2.png) [@Nate\_Pearson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Nate_Pearson)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1702 "2021-03-09T21:37:41Z")
> [@Snowflake69](#): > > > [@Brad\_Hanson](#): > > > > Does adaptive training differentiate between a completed workout that just kills you versus a completed workout that was easy? > > Exactly what I was wondering after completing Palisade yesterday where over unders became a VO2 session though I gutted it out to near death! Yes, this is what the survey response is for. You give an RPE response of 1-5. This is really important for us to know. Imagine the changes that could happen if Palisade was a ā€œ5 - All outā€ vs a ā€œ1 - Easyā€. ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Pearson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/nate_pearson/32/117463_2.png) [@Nate\_Pearson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Nate_Pearson)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 9:40pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1703 "2021-03-09T21:40:39Z")
> [@Landon\_Tong](#): > > One thing Iā€™m curious aboutā€¦using a dumb trainer with speed / cadence sensors and bluetooth connection to my iPad, there is a bit of lag between the power im putting out and the power TR sees, especially on short intervals like vo2 or short sprints. Sometimes it will show that I didnt hit my target for the interval because by the time it was over, TR had just caught up. > > So hereā€™s the questionā€¦Will adaptive training see this as me not hitting my workout targets and scale my training back incorrectly? > > Super excited about the development and I love everything TrainerRoad is doing. Thanks yall! Yes, this is built into the workout classifier and why we couldnā€™t just use average interval power. We looked at a bunch of workouts with short power spikes and had a human classify them to the best of their ability. This taught the ML to recognize ones that is clear someone is hitting the prescribed goal even if they are off by a few seconds (usually due to device lag). ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Pearson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/nate_pearson/32/117463_2.png) [@Nate\_Pearson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Nate_Pearson)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 9:41pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1704 "2021-03-09T21:41:55Z")
> [@Flashpoint51](#): > > FWIW, I just went through the Baird/Bashful combo and found them pretty much the same - the extra 2% in the intervals is amply compensated for by the longer recovery valleys. That is very insightful because they are the exact same level šŸ˜ƒ. ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Pearson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/nate_pearson/32/117463_2.png) [@Nate\_Pearson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Nate_Pearson)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 9:44pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1705 "2021-03-09T21:44:45Z")
> [@D-9](#): > > Has there been any talk of TR sharing a list of workouts with their rating numbers? This would help a bunch of people make manual tweaks to our schedules while we await AT access. It might keep Chad Mcneese from having to constantly provide this info on random workouts people ask him about. Weā€™re hoping to get levels out to everyone on Monday, March 15th 2021. This is subject to bugs and could be pushed out. ---
**Author:** ![Kaj\_Johnson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/kaj_johnson/32/154760_2.png) [@Kaj\_Johnson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Kaj_Johnson)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 9:55pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1706 "2021-03-09T21:55:08Z")
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