# šŸŽ‰ šŸŽ‰ šŸŽ‰ Introducing Adaptive Training! šŸŽ‰ šŸŽ‰ šŸŽ‰ **URL:** \ **Category:** TrainerRoad Software\ **Created:** [February 25, 2021, 4:01pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025 "2021-02-25T16:01:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![cbskillz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/cbskillz/32/46182_2.png) [@cbskillz](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/cbskillz)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1094 "2021-02-28T22:31:30Z")
Time will tell but i dont think this will be the case. AT is supposed to choose workouts tailored to your goals and abilities. I suspect this means it will push harder and harder until you fail and by power zone development level. The existing plans dont do this. ---
**Author:** ![Janhein](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/janhein/32/7721_2.png) [@Janhein](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Janhein)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 10:37pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1096 "2021-02-28T22:37:14Z")
Bold communication strategy by the TR team. Last week the forum had an incredible amount of negativity, this week the mood is exuberant. Watched the first hour of the podcast twice and got the strong impression the team decided to wing it. It was very successful, at least in the short run. But the communication also had some really rough edges. Several times the team resorted to promoting new functionality by criticizing the current platform, comparing it to squats ā€˜crushing youā€™ and saying it was like a ā€˜bad time travel movieā€™ and ā€˜demotivatingā€™ to use the current platform after having used adaptive training. That in combination with a phased roll-out and an undefined timeline makes for an explosive mixture. No pressure R&D teamā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![glennwegner](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/glennwegner/32/33959_2.png) [@glennwegner](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/glennwegner)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 10:40pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1097 "2021-02-28T22:40:54Z")
So your business podcast is really just us listening in on you getting schooled then? Well played. ---
**Author:** ![JoeX](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/joex/32/6640_2.png) [@JoeX](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/JoeX)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 11:25pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1098 "2021-02-28T23:25:48Z")
> [@cbskillz](#): > > suspect this means it will push harder and harder until you fail and by power zone development level. The existing plans dont do this. The existing plans do push harder and harder, and progress you in zones. AT adapts to whether you succeed or fail, so will push less if youā€™re struggling or more if youā€™re finding it too easy. Welcome to the forums by the way šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![mailman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mailman/32/101794_2.png) [@mailman](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mailman)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 11:31pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1099 "2021-02-28T23:31:55Z")
Could the planned time off function be used to alter blocks i.e. to ride the wave of a strong block? Example being: rest week is scheduled week four, you put planned time off week five, does the AT then understand you wouldnā€™t necessarily want two weeks off and extend your training block to suit. ---
**Author:** ![MI-XC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mi-xc/32/12993_2.png) [@MI-XC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/MI-XC)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 11:46pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1100 "2021-02-28T23:46:58Z")
> [@trpnhntr](#): > > @Nate_Pearson Given I had no actual advanced knowledge of this release, but posted this four weeks ago, could I get priority access to the closed beta? šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ I had you beat by over 2 years, TR basically copied my idea and relabel it Train Now. I pretty much did all the work. I ā€œdemandā€ beta access now! > [@In-Plan Workout Choices (New Idea bulb)](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/in-plan-workout-choices-new-idea/8668): > > So as I work myself through TR mid volume plans, it seems like at times I am not looking forward to a particular workout (typically that third interval session on Saturday). For one reason or another I just donā€™t like the format of the workout or I just cant stand to do a third day of sweet spot intervals. Since there are may ways to ā€œskin a catā€ why canā€™t the plan have some daily choices? Not every day, but maybe once or twice a week. For instance, Instead when I load the plan in my calendaā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![enki42](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/enki42/32/68042_2.png) [@enki42](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/enki42)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 12:09am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1101 "2021-03-01T00:09:29Z")
For detecting overtraining canā€™t you see heart rate response during the training to the workout load? The way Garmin does at the start of workouts. Maybe keep recording heart rate after a workout to see it at rest? ---
**Author:** ![VeloJake](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/velojake/32/12551_2.png) [@VeloJake](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/VeloJake)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 12:42am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1102 "2021-03-01T00:42:48Z")
Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Penski](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/penski/32/7757_2.png) [@Penski](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Penski)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 12:49am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1103 "2021-03-01T00:49:05Z")
Soon in the new ā€˜Your Progression Levels improvements threadā€™ thread : ![PL Graph](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/9/1/91f5ae44eb1cf19d6465276b8376ef34f77a7f04.png) ---
**Author:** ![Rizzi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/rizzi/32/17674_2.png) [@Rizzi](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Rizzi)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 1:00am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1104 "2021-03-01T01:00:16Z")
A few points and questions I havenā€™t seen an answer yet @Nate_Pearson or @SeanHurley > [@bfrostieone](#): > > If I find a workout that mimics my longer, lower intensity ride and match it with my outdoor ride, will AT build off of that? Kind of a work-around until all rides are processed with AT. > [@SeanHurley](#): > > Yep, any TR workout you do will affect your Progression Levels and influence the subsequent workouts youā€™re assigned. So whether itā€™s a workout you add mid week or one you use to replace another that was previously scheduled, if you ride it the system will use it to consider how to adapt your training. > [@Mikeharty](#): > > Couldnā€™t you in theory just schedule an endurance ride from the library like Appalachian, Flattop, Highland, etc, thatā€™s close to your time and intensity goals, then set it as an outside workout? AT would pick it up, you could rate your effort and so on? > [@bfrostieone](#): > > I asked that exact question and they said it would work. Any scheduled TR workout will be picked up by the system. - So does the ML redo itā€™s magic if I change the association of an outside ride (does it work with the ā€œassociate ride withā€ feature)? - Or do I have to have a pre-planned workout at the time of uploading the outside workout? (In that case a workaround could be do delete the imported outside ride, then schedule an outside workout and then re-import again, correct?) > [@SeanHurley](#): > > And in the few cases where there are holes in a certain progression within our workout library, weā€™re working to fill those in with new workouts. - Like 1x120min@90%? For some of us who follow some WKO principles (extensive aerobic)ā€¦ Last thought: - Would be nice to easily see past Breakthrough/super passes ---
**Author:** ![brenth](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/brenth/32/12893_2.png) [@brenth](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/brenth)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 1:01am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1105 "2021-03-01T01:01:46Z")
They distracted usā€¦so much hypeā€¦the negativity will come once it is released. ---
**Author:** ![dhaines83](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/dhaines83/32/16238_2.png) [@dhaines83](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/dhaines83)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 2:33am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1106 "2021-03-01T02:33:28Z")
When you drop your $99 subscription in part due to burn-out. Then TR comes out with Adaptive Training, but the price is now $189 #facepalm I guess the only real option is to continue as a seasonal subscriber & re-evaluate next time a price rise comes around ---
**Author:** ![aydraper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/aydraper/32/54303_2.png) [@aydraper](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/aydraper)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 2:50am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1107 "2021-03-01T02:50:40Z")
The reason I donā€™t plan on ever dropping TR unless I quit cycling is that the TR constantly focuses on improving the product. It might no come as fast as some people may want, but the TR product today (not including AT) is notably better than when I started using it 3 years ago. So even if there are things I donā€™t like about it today, I stay subscribed because I trust they will improve. Even if you donā€™t like the plan, the workout library, calendar, forum and podcast are worth $99/year to me. Thatā€™s how I look at it. ---
**Author:** ![patrickhill](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/patrickhill/32/12893_2.png) [@patrickhill](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/patrickhill)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 4:20am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1108 "2021-03-01T04:20:19Z")
@JesseFortson @SeanHurley @Nate_Pearson A fun question and a more serious one: Of workouts commonly found in TR plans, which ones have the highest failure rates (I have my guesses here)? Also, shorter V02 intervals seem like an entirely different energy system than long V02 intervals. I can complete just about any TR V02 workout at 90s or less, but I fail pretty much all of them at 3min or more. Iā€™m just concerned that it will have trouble progressing someone like me. Any perspective here? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Alen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alen/32/4820_2.png) [@Alen](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Alen)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 6:14am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1110 "2021-03-01T06:14:54Z")
Every once in a while something comes up that I did not think I needed. I am cautiously optimistic that adaptive training is one of them. Thank you very much TR team for making this possible. With that in mind I have a few questions. 1. Well all the features be available on the iPad/iPhone apps or is this something that is only on the Desktop app in the beginning? 2. are the workouts weighted? For example if one was to do avalanche spire and have a super pass but following that have two days of rest versus someone who does eclipse +3 and the next day does polar bear and both workouts are just a pass are those weighted differently? I had one more question but I forgot what it was so I will ask it when I remember again. My biggest hope is that adaptive training will save me from myself. I tend to continue progressing my workouts to the point of overreaching and only realize on race day when itā€™s too late. ---
**Author:** ![geebutbut](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/geebutbut/32/35693_2.png) [@geebutbut](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/geebutbut)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 6:52am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1111 "2021-03-01T06:52:24Z")
If a user is not able to continue building on their progressions (across the higher intensities) would AT be able to detect such fitness plateaus and determine that increases in overall volume may be necessary to continue progressing? ---
**Author:** ![JoeX](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/joex/32/6640_2.png) [@JoeX](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/JoeX)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 8:02am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1112 "2021-03-01T08:02:58Z")
> [@Alen](#): > > - Well all the features be available on the iPad/iPhone apps > > - are the workouts weighted? Yes and yes but not how you mean it. Successfully doing a workout with 2min vo2 intervals would place you lower on the vo2 scale than doing a workout with 4min vo2 intervals. Iā€™m sure the ML does take into account any data it has access to but having two days of rest would change the fact that you had completed the workout and progressed or regressed. ---
**Author:** ![WattsUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5f9b8f/32.png) [@WattsUp](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/WattsUp)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 9:31am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1113 "2021-03-01T09:31:16Z")
> usually free if I provide training data for Machinelearning Er, no. Wrong. ---
**Author:** ![anon13702412](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b3f665/32.png) [@anon13702412](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/anon13702412)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 9:36am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1114 "2021-03-01T09:36:43Z")
> [@WattsUp](#): > > Er, no. Wrong. Itā€™s pointless to argue with him. I guess itā€™s not even about ML&AI, he simply wants a cheaper price. šŸ¤¦šŸ» ---
**Author:** ![PhilSJones](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/philsjones/32/5495_2.png) [@PhilSJones](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/PhilSJones)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 9:52am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/1115 "2021-03-01T09:52:23Z")
is this picture a genuine coming TR feature? or from something else? [Previous page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025.md?page=51) [Next page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025.md?page=53)