# šŸŽ‰ šŸŽ‰ šŸŽ‰ Introducing Adaptive Training! šŸŽ‰ šŸŽ‰ šŸŽ‰ **URL:** \ **Category:** TrainerRoad Software\ **Created:** [February 25, 2021, 4:01pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025 "2021-02-25T16:01:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 204
**Author:** ![BCrossen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bcrossen/32/16261_2.png) [@BCrossen](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/BCrossen)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 11:18am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4232 "2021-08-05T11:18:40Z")
Are you in Specialty? That block generally doesnā€™t have ramp tests in it from what Iā€™ve experienced. ---
**Author:** ![Hampstenfan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/hampstenfan/32/7725_2.png) [@Hampstenfan](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Hampstenfan)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 12:00pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4233 "2021-08-05T12:00:08Z")
> [@Crownan](#): > > Survey for outside unstructured rides on web is not loading. > > When I click into ā€œupdate survey responseā€ it just gives me a spinning thingy and no options load. Same here. Had the problem last evening; completed the survey, then went in to change my response and spinning wheel. This morning survey still is not loading. On a positive note, last eveningā€™s PL increase was only showing on the web career page last night, not on calendar or workout card. This morning itā€™s showing on all three šŸ‘ šŸ˜„ ---
**Author:** ![trpnhntr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/trpnhntr/32/93473_2.png) [@trpnhntr](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/trpnhntr)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 12:30pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4234 "2021-08-05T12:30:03Z")
I have submitted the below to support, posting here because Iā€™m curious if anyone else is experiencing this Completed a workout on the windows application this morning and was not prompted with a survey upon completion. No big deal, closed the app, went over to the web browser to add a response and it showed up as ā€˜Cut shortā€™. To be clear - the workout was _not_ cut short, and was completed in its entirety I clicked the survey response in an attempt to update to the correct response, but no survey comes up. When I click other recent rides I am able to modify the survey response for them, but for this ride I am unable to get the survey to pop-up Will see what support says - but am interested to know if its a one-off with this ride or something that others are experiencing ---
**Author:** ![russell.r.sage](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/russell.r.sage/32/36157_2.png) [@russell.r.sage](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/russell.r.sage)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 12:30pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4235 "2021-08-05T12:30:57Z")
The other issue I noted was that I did not get the struggle popup this morning when I answered the survey. I wasnā€™t sure I struggled so didnā€™t think much of it. Later checked and saw it was ā€œmissing response.ā€ Answered the survey at that time and got the struggle survey. So something is definitely wrong. Iā€™m running windows version and it updates automatically. ---
**Author:** ![ukjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/ukjim/32/28963_2.png) [@ukjim](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ukjim)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 1:27pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4236 "2021-08-05T13:27:28Z")
Thatā€™ll be it! cheers. ---
**Author:** ![bobmcstuff](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bobmcstuff/32/12893_2.png) [@bobmcstuff](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/bobmcstuff)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 2:05pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4237 "2021-08-05T14:05:21Z")
Iā€™ve deliberately NOT done an FTP test in this block as I want to see how the PLs progress up - if I did one now my FTP will go up (currently set to 275, I believe a test will put me in the 280-285 region), and that would drop all my PLs back down to some degree (I donā€™t really need to do a test to set my FTP pretty accurately anyway). Neat thing today, I reassessed the workout I did Tuesday based on reading the screenshots above and downgraded it from 3 to 2 - all my upcoming Threshold workouts effectively got pulled a week closer with next weeksā€™ being dropped and replaced with the week after etc. I know this is what AT is supposed to do, but itā€™s cool to see it in action. ---
**Author:** ![jgthomas59](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jgthomas59/32/28887_2.png) [@jgthomas59](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/jgthomas59)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 3:02pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4238 "2021-08-05T15:02:40Z")
> [@ukjim](#): > > Never keen on ftp tests as they make me cry. > > Weirdly I donā€™t have any scheduled tests in my calendar. I will add one for next week as I am on a recovery week atm. Thanks for the reply. You donā€™t need to test. If you manually adjust your FTP upwards, AT will reduce your PLs, adapt your plan, and you can start building back up again. I just did this on Tuesday and would say that AT is a little over aggressive in adjusting the PLs, but hopefully a couple stretch workouts will have things back on track. ---
**Author:** ![IvyAudrain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/ivyaudrain/32/47471_2.png) [@IvyAudrain](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/IvyAudrain)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4239 "2021-08-05T16:22:27Z")
> [@Crownan](#): > > Survey for outside unstructured rides on web is not loading. Sorry for the trouble, please check in with [support@trainerroad.com](mailto:support@trainerroad.com) about this. Thanks in advance! ---
**Author:** ![trpnhntr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/trpnhntr/32/93473_2.png) [@trpnhntr](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/trpnhntr)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4240 "2021-08-05T17:09:15Z")
> [@trpnhntr](#): > > Completed a workout on the windows application this morning and was not prompted with a survey upon completion. > > No big deal, closed the app, went over to the web browser to add a response and it showed up as ā€˜Cut shortā€™. To be clear - the workout was _not_ cut short, and was completed in its entirety > > I clicked the survey response in an attempt to update to the correct response, but no survey comes up. When I click other recent rides I am able to modify the survey response for them, but for this ride I am unable to get the survey to pop-up Support got back to me with the following reply > I see what you mean that the workout has been marked as cut short when it shouldnā€™t have been. Taking a look around, it seems that this is an issue that weā€™re aware of and are working on finding a fix for. That being said, I donā€™t have a timetable on when a fix for this could be ready. =( > Unfortunately, based on this, we arenā€™t able to change the response, and this is also why you werenā€™t prompted to update the response since the response canā€™t be changed. ---
**Author:** ![Textuality](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/textuality/32/72636_2.png) [@Textuality](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Textuality)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 11:07am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4241 "2021-08-06T11:07:05Z")
Is there a suggestion to get around the sync issues, should I just not bother setting a survey response on the desktop app and then sort it out on the website later? ---
**Author:** ![michaelfrommelbourne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/michaelfrommelbourne/32/12890_2.png) [@michaelfrommelbourne](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/michaelfrommelbourne)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 11:30am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4242 "2021-08-06T11:30:29Z")
You think that TR has a buggy AT? You think you understand how the system works? Then thereā€™s more to come! Then youā€™d better start following this and similar topics: [https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2021/08/05/the-ml-uncertainty-revolution-is-now/](https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2021/08/05/the-ml-uncertainty-revolution-is-now/) And good luck with all that! ---
**Author:** ![BCrossen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bcrossen/32/16261_2.png) [@BCrossen](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/BCrossen)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 12:55pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4243 "2021-08-06T12:55:30Z")
Thatā€™s probably the way to handle it for now. Either update the survey on mobile (Iā€™ve had no sync issues with Android personally) or on the web for now while the support team fixes the desktop version sync problem. ---
**Author:** ![trpnhntr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/trpnhntr/32/93473_2.png) [@trpnhntr](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/trpnhntr)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 1:31pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4244 "2021-08-06T13:31:49Z")
> [@Textuality](#): > > Is there a suggestion to get around the sync issues Just leave the app open for 5 minutes after you enter a survey response and itā€™ll sync over ---
**Author:** ![Textuality](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/textuality/32/72636_2.png) [@Textuality](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Textuality)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 1:59pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4245 "2021-08-06T13:59:39Z")
Iā€™m not sure thatā€™s right, as Iā€™m now missing at least 5 survey responses and surely theyā€™d have synced over when the app was open for later sessions? ---
**Author:** ![trpnhntr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/trpnhntr/32/93473_2.png) [@trpnhntr](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/trpnhntr)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 2:10pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4246 "2021-08-06T14:10:54Z")
Once you close they are lost if they havenā€™t been sent over. Try leaving it open after saving the response and see what happens ---
**Author:** ![BCrossen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bcrossen/32/16261_2.png) [@BCrossen](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/BCrossen)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4247 "2021-08-06T14:16:19Z")
To further add to this, at the top of the calendar page is a little refresh button. When it is syncing, it will be spinning. When it stops spinning, you should be safe to close the app as it should be synced across devices at that point. ---
**Author:** ![russell.r.sage](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/russell.r.sage/32/36157_2.png) [@russell.r.sage](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/russell.r.sage)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 2:19pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4248 "2021-08-06T14:19:56Z")
I never close the app and it doesnā€™t work. So, I think a fix is still necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Cleanneon98](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/cleanneon98/32/80252_2.png) [@Cleanneon98](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Cleanneon98)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 2:21pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4249 "2021-08-06T14:21:34Z")
So going from 4.2 to 3.3 in sweet spot after 2 weeks is normal? Seems kind of excessive looking at the differences in workouts. With this decay rate you pretty much will always have inaccuracies because there are too many zones to target so if you focus on endurance your SS/Vo2 zones will fall grossly, switch focus to Vo2 and what happens to endurance and tempo? You donā€™t just lose the fitness I still think the decay is incorrect, in my uneducated Iā€™m not a coach opinion. ---
**Author:** ![MI-XC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mi-xc/32/12993_2.png) [@MI-XC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/MI-XC)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4250 "2021-08-06T14:30:44Z")
Surprised to see AT schedule a STRETCH workout for Thursday after Tuesdayā€™s Ramp Test. I wouldnā€™t think AT would schedule stretch workout and this is a first for me. Well, I finished it and marked it Very Hard as it was. I am rewarded with new adaptions to even higher level VO2 workouts going forward šŸ˜¬. Anyone else have AT schedule stretch workouts? ---
**Author:** ![BCrossen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bcrossen/32/16261_2.png) [@BCrossen](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/BCrossen)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 2:32pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025/4251 "2021-08-06T14:32:35Z")
Yes. Earlier this season when I was in base and build, I would get stretch workouts on Thursdays and sometimes on Sundays. The rest of the workouts would either be in the achievable or productive category. [Previous page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025.md?page=203) [Next page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/introducing-adaptive-training/54025.md?page=205)