# I really hope you dont have a pioneer cycling computer **URL:** \ **Category:** Equipment\ **Created:** [June 10, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700 "2021-06-10T14:24:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Joelrivera](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/joelrivera/32/145557_2.png) [@Joelrivera](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Joelrivera)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/1 "2021-06-10T14:24:55Z")
> **[Shimano Kills Off Pioneer’s Bike Computers In The Ugliest Way Possible](https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2021/06/shimano-kills-off-pioneers-bike-computers-in-the-ugliest-way-possible.html)** > > (Quick FYI: For users with useless computers, I've compilated a list of resources to get you halfway-functional again. Cheers!) When Shimano acquired Pioneer’s assets a bit over a year ago, I found it hard to see how this would end Just wow… Glad I didn’t get one when they were on sale a while ago… ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Tate](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/michael_tate/32/76007_2.png) [@Michael\_Tate](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Michael_Tate)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/2 "2021-06-10T15:24:35Z")
Wow. That’s an epic level of customer service failure. Note that. ---
**Author:** ![BaronGreenback](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/barongreenback/32/11638_2.png) [@BaronGreenback](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/BaronGreenback)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/3 "2021-06-10T19:18:16Z")
Makes you wonder about what they will do with the e-tube app in a few years when shinier and sexier things come along. Like so many connected devices - they have a limited shelf life. ---
**Author:** ![huges84](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/huges84/32/132176_2.png) [@huges84](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/huges84)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/4 "2021-06-11T15:29:29Z")
FYI for any of you with the power meter, Wahoo computers can read the advanced pedaling metrics. So you can keep using the power meter without any web service. > **[Wahoo Fitness adds Pioneer’s advanced pedaling metrics to ELEMNT/BOLT](https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2018/09/wahoo-fitness-adds-pioneers-advanced-pedaling-metrics-to-elemnt-bolt.html)** > > Today Wahoo and Pioneer announced a bit of a partnership that will bring Pioneer’s advanced power meter pedaling metrics onto the Wahoo ELEMNT and BOLT head unit lineup. These metrics have long been only available on Pioneer’s head units, and For anybody using the pioneer computers, just assume you’re screwed at this point. Wahoo should do some kind of promotion specifically targeting Pioneer customers. It’s really a great opportunity to turn Pioneer / Shimano hate into Wahoo love. ---
**Author:** ![huges84](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/huges84/32/132176_2.png) [@huges84](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/huges84)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 3:31pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/5 "2021-06-11T15:31:41Z")
I generally like Shimano stuff, but if I ever go electric shifting, it won’t be Shimano specifically because of their complete gross incompetence and arrogance with this move. Pathetic ---
**Author:** ![Un-QuittingBikes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bb73d2/32.png) [@Un-QuittingBikes](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Un-QuittingBikes)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 4:31pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/6 "2021-06-11T16:31:16Z")
Long term Di2 user, new AXS user. I much prefer AXS anyway, so win-win. Hosing a bunch of customers to save a few bucks is one of the worst moves a company can make when they’re already on their back foot. SRAM has been eating their lunch consistently for years and the gap is only widening. ---
**Author:** ![Cleanneon98](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/cleanneon98/32/80252_2.png) [@Cleanneon98](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Cleanneon98)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 4:50pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/7 "2021-06-11T16:50:42Z")
Def a bad move, then again I have never seen anyone I know personally with a Pioneer headunit, only Power Meters so I wonder how many people this actually affects. Wouldn’t be surprised if they reverse course on this, not that it’ll undo all the bad press but would take a lot more than this to get me to personally not have Shimano on my next bike ---
**Author:** ![G650](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/g650/32/3746_2.png) [@G650](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/G650)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 9:18pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/8 "2021-06-11T21:18:26Z")
> [@Un-QuittingBikes](#): > > SRAM has been eating their lunch consistently for years and the gap is only widening. Uh, this is an opinion one can have I guess ---
**Author:** ![huges84](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/huges84/32/132176_2.png) [@huges84](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/huges84)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/9 "2021-06-11T22:01:22Z")
> [@Cleanneon98](#): > > would take a lot more than this to get me to personally not have Shimano on my next bike I’m just swearing them off for anything that involves software. As DC Rainmaker points out, Shimano has always struggled there. But there’s been plenty of other issues. Ultegra crank failures galore. MTB brakes with wandering bite point and oil leaks. Brifters eating through shifting cables like Cookie Monster eats cookies. Etc. They never improve the products to resolve these issues either. They just keep pumping out the bad product. Not exactly the reliable products that they built their reputation on. ---
**Author:** ![Cleanneon98](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/cleanneon98/32/80252_2.png) [@Cleanneon98](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Cleanneon98)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/10 "2021-06-11T22:09:26Z")
My LBS head mechanic has seen a total of 2 failed Ultegra cranks in his 5+ years. Let’s leave the exaggerated complaining about Shimano hardware out of the Pioneer software thread ---
**Author:** ![Joelrivera](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/joelrivera/32/145557_2.png) [@Joelrivera](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Joelrivera)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/11 "2021-06-14T18:52:07Z")
I think shimano does great hardware… software… not so much… ---
**Author:** ![Cleanneon98](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/cleanneon98/32/80252_2.png) [@Cleanneon98](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Cleanneon98)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/12 "2021-06-14T19:03:30Z")
Yea my AXS software won’t brick the system like E-Tube can if used wrong, but with my Eagle and Reverb AXS offers a disappointingly low amount of data. Battery life, reprogram buttons and multi shift, that’s it. No shift counter, no shift speed adjustment, no “favorite gear” info, I think it does more for Road AXS. That said if Shimano made the piss poor decision to disable e-tube it wouldn’t change much for me anyway. ---
**Author:** ![ibcoleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/ibcoleman/32/59811_2.png) [@ibcoleman](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ibcoleman)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/13 "2021-06-14T19:14:38Z")
Time to switch to SRAM: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/8/d/8df24da29820c84b3455ccde4a6494dd0c0ba9ed.jpeg "Mollema "FUCKING SRAM!!!"") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsk3zAZyLaQ) ---
**Author:** ![Joelrivera](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/joelrivera/32/145557_2.png) [@Joelrivera](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Joelrivera)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 7:16pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/14 "2021-06-14T19:16:49Z")
I have heard horrible stories of electronic group set failing at races…both SRAM and Shimano ---
**Author:** ![ibcoleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/ibcoleman/32/59811_2.png) [@ibcoleman](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ibcoleman)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 12:00am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/15 "2021-06-15T00:00:41Z")
The folks who’ve made the jump to electronic shifting love it and would never go back…one of the main reasons I’ll never try it…🤞 ---
**Author:** ![Joelrivera](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/joelrivera/32/145557_2.png) [@Joelrivera](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Joelrivera)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 1:10am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/16 "2021-06-15T01:10:37Z")
I just got my first electronic shifting set… and it sweet! mechanical might not be a choice in a few years, unless you go to 11 speeds or lower… I think Shimano will soon do 105 wired electronic group set… It’s just a matter of time… ---
**Author:** ![ibcoleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/ibcoleman/32/59811_2.png) [@ibcoleman](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ibcoleman)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/17 "2021-06-15T02:38:42Z")
“You may not be able to get a 15 cog cassette unless you go to electronic shifting”. Hopefully be dead by then. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![timothyh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/timothyh/32/1133_2.png) [@timothyh](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/timothyh)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 7:04am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/18 "2021-06-15T07:04:07Z")
Yeah… I made a post about this a little while back. DC’s article expresses my outrage feels. Plug in usb and upload via PC is not an option because the ride data is a weird format (not a .fit file), so bike computer is a brick ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/19 "2021-06-25T19:55:00Z")
> **[Got a Pioneer Bike Computer? Three Tools & Workarounds Get You Working Again](https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2021/06/got-a-pioneer-bike-computer-three-tools-workarounds-get-you-working-again.html)** > > This is a quick post, more of a PSA than anything. As you may remember, a couple of weeks ago Shimano burned the Pioneer house down (with gasoline and extra hay bales), leaving Pioneer users in one of two states: ---
**Author:** ![berto2cj](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/berto2cj/32/4413_2.png) [@berto2cj](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/berto2cj)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700/20 "2021-06-28T14:37:33Z")
the article was a great read thou [Next page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-really-hope-you-dont-have-a-pioneer-cycling-computer/59700.md?page=2)