# I dope with NaHCO3 **URL:** \ **Category:** Nutrition\ **Created:** [May 5, 2020, 4:13pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342 "2020-05-05T16:13:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Brennus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/brennus/32/1318_2.png) [@Brennus](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Brennus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 4:13pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/1 "2020-05-05T16:13:44Z")
I knew about this technique for a long time but never messed with it because I’m an ultra kinda guy and NAHCO3 used improperly can end your race. But after hearing the Huub Wattbike guys talk about using it & revisiting the research…yikes…after caffeine this might be the most effective legal ergogenic aid there is. Thoroughly researched, thoroughly effective. Maybe not as an in competition aid but definitely on those hard VO2max workout days. I’m willing to roll the dice on the occasional gastrointestinal problem for a 1.5 hour VO2max workout on a trainer that’s 6 steps from a bathroom. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Doughnutman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/captain_doughnutman/32/7694_2.png) [@Captain\_Doughnutman](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Captain_Doughnutman)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 4:28pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/2 "2020-05-05T16:28:36Z")
According to one recent study, it improves 4k TT time…which is what the Huub Wattbike guys are all about, no? And you have to find your personalised dose. [https://research.edgehill.ac.uk/en/publications/the-effects-of-sodium-bicarbonate-ingestion-on-cycling-performanc-2](https://research.edgehill.ac.uk/en/publications/the-effects-of-sodium-bicarbonate-ingestion-on-cycling-performanc-2) ---
**Author:** ![Brennus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/brennus/32/1318_2.png) [@Brennus](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Brennus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/3 "2020-05-05T16:42:01Z")
Yeah. I would say VO2max type efforts. 1 minute, 2 minute, 5 minute efforts. That type of thing. Based on my experience, not just performance during the effort but recovery after the workout. There are all sorts of dosing schedules. Some more tolerable than others. The typical acute dosage is 0.3-0.4 g/kg…but chronic dosing is just as effective but better tolerated. Anyhow, don’t take my word for it. There are gazillions of papers out there. ---
**Author:** ![old\_but\_not\_dead\_yet](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/old_but_not_dead_yet/32/58519_2.png) [@old\_but\_not\_dead\_yet](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/old_but_not_dead_yet)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/4 "2020-05-05T18:11:01Z")
LD50 = 2-5 g/kg. ---
**Author:** ![Brennus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/brennus/32/1318_2.png) [@Brennus](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Brennus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/5 "2020-05-05T18:45:58Z")
😬 Those poor critters! 😔 Gotta be intravenous, tho. I don’t think anybody could hold down equivalent 3/4s cup long enough to die from it. Nasty. I’m getting nauseous just thinking about it! Still, something to think about. I doubt very many ppl hold a box of NaHCO3 and think, ‘This could kill me.’ ---
**Author:** ![Joelrivera](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/joelrivera/32/145557_2.png) [@Joelrivera](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Joelrivera)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 7:03pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/6 "2020-05-05T19:03:54Z")
Did i read correctly what NaHCO3 is? I mean the name sounds cool and stuff like this. Even dangerous. BUT IT IS BAKING SODA! Do people actually do this? How? A glass of water loaded with it? Should i put this on my water for wo? ---
**Author:** ![Psychopasta](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/psychopasta/32/18809_2.png) [@Psychopasta](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Psychopasta)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/7 "2020-05-05T19:19:45Z")
But you must admit NaHCO3 sounds a lot more broscience than baking soda. ---
**Author:** ![Brennus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/brennus/32/1318_2.png) [@Brennus](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Brennus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/8 "2020-05-05T19:23:03Z")
😄 “But you must admit NaHCO3 sounds a lot more broscience than baking soda.” That’s what I thought exactly! ---
**Author:** ![Joelrivera](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/joelrivera/32/145557_2.png) [@Joelrivera](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Joelrivera)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 7:30pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/9 "2020-05-05T19:30:56Z")
Absolutely… I was ready to go dark web to get whatever it was! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Scapewalker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/scapewalker/32/21845_2.png) [@Scapewalker](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Scapewalker)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/10 "2020-05-05T19:43:28Z")
I have been using Amp Human for quite some time on almost all my workouts and placebo or not it does make me feel less pain during hard sessions. ---
**Author:** ![Brennus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/brennus/32/1318_2.png) [@Brennus](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Brennus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 7:44pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/11 "2020-05-05T19:44:56Z")
> [@old\_but\_not\_dead\_yet](#): > > LD50 = 2-5 g/kg. Double check your source. I think this is conclusive evidence to refute it… [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/a/6/a6aa6625c6f7ba8a623cf463b9a9d314819f622a.jpeg "Homer Antacid") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpehAquADpU) ---
**Author:** ![slowmart](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/slowmart/32/148777_2.png) [@slowmart](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/slowmart)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/12 "2020-05-05T20:23:20Z")
Interesting article > **[Chris Hoy: ‘If I smell a burger stand, I get nervous – it takes me back to...](https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/mar/20/chris-hoy-my-life-on-a-plate)** > > The Olympic cyclist on eating 15 Danish pastries while training, plus the food hell of the 1996 Moscow games Sir Chris Hoy “I was violently sick the first time I took massive scoops of sodium bicarbonate alkaline with my food before a race. It was to help neutralise the lactic acid my body would produce around the 20-25-second mark. What alkaline does is delay, for a second, the onset of a very painful sting from the acid. As I won my first championship gold medal by just 1/1,000th of a second – 15mm – in Copenhagen in 2002, it was quite a factor.” Superhuman dedication, focus but slightly unhinged reasoning IMHO but then I’m not a six times Olympic Gold medal winner or eleven times world champion. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_M](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mike_m/32/166706_2.png) [@Mike\_M](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Mike_M)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/13 "2020-05-05T20:32:24Z")
Thought you said you dope with Nachos - yes food doping that I would be down with! ---
**Author:** ![TheGuil](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/theguil/32/16876_2.png) [@TheGuil](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/TheGuil)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 8:52pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/14 "2020-05-05T20:52:58Z")
Interesting study > **[Sodium bicarbonate ingestion augments the increase in PGC-1α mRNA expression...](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26384407/)** > > We tested the hypothesis that ingestion of sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3) prior to an acute session of high-intensity interval training (HIIT) would augment signaling cascades and gene expression linked to mitochondrial biogenesis in human skeletal... Curious to see what would be the long term effect, while that amount of ingested sodium may also be a concern for someone. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Doughnutman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/captain_doughnutman/32/7694_2.png) [@Captain\_Doughnutman](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Captain_Doughnutman)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 10:13pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/15 "2020-05-05T22:13:52Z")
> [@Mike\_M](#): > > Thought you said you dope with Nachos I “dope” with NaCHOs on almost every ride. ---
**Author:** ![bbarrera](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bbarrera/32/14734_2.png) [@bbarrera](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/bbarrera)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 10:58pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/16 "2020-05-05T22:58:35Z")
> [@Brennus](#): > > but never messed with it because I’m an ultra kinda guy and NAHCO3 used improperly an end your race ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/a/2/a217b6a55a4a9052c59b4bd903245272e652fbe9.jpeg) Doping by osmosis, a little NaHCO3 and a little ‘holy’ water 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![alexstenerson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alexstenerson/32/5407_2.png) [@alexstenerson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/alexstenerson)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 11:04pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/17 "2020-05-05T23:04:08Z")
Rub it on your legs 🤷 amp lotion is a game changer ---
**Author:** ![Rosscopeco](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/rosscopeco/32/90801_2.png) [@Rosscopeco](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Rosscopeco)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 3:01am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/18 "2020-05-06T03:01:05Z")
Does going for a swim count? ![15887339653274606918794872803972](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/a/2/a2209b2da505e00969bf8b459e70e6dc22594029.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![cinzanoframepump](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/cinzanoframepump/32/25963_2.png) [@cinzanoframepump](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/cinzanoframepump)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 12:13pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/19 "2020-05-06T12:13:12Z")
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**Author:** ![Raythebike](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/raythebike/32/9412_2.png) [@Raythebike](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Raythebike)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 1:58pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342/20 "2020-05-07T13:58:32Z")
Putting half a teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate in your drinking bottle to reduce lactic acid build up has been knowledge to me for 50 years. How many mg that is I haven’t a clue. Half a teaspoon never gave me any stomach upsets, but as the impact is so fleeting it hard to say if there was a placebo effect. I mean how long do you stay in real lactic burn condition, very short if you have half a brain. [Next page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/i-dope-with-nahco3/35342.md?page=2)