# Heart Rate Deep Dive, Tulsa Tough, VO2max and FTP and More – Ask a Cycling Coach 313 **URL:** \ **Category:** Ask a Cycling Coach Podcast\ **Created:** [June 17, 2021, 2:33pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951 "2021-06-17T14:33:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jonathan/32/15_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 2:33pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/1 "2021-06-17T14:33:20Z")
Coach Chad is back! I repeat: COACH CHAD IS BACK! 🎉 This week we dig into how VO2max affects FTP, why heart rate may be lower or higher for different people at different times, and discussions about positioning in aggressive groups, heat, crashing and more inspired by Tulsa Tough. Tune in for the YouTube Live Stream this morning at 8:00am Pacific! * * * #### Youtube Live Video: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/7/8/78cb9c6b7893e3f14b4b515dff362a1fdd5d2256.jpeg "Heart Rate Deep Dive, Tulsa Tough, FTP and VO2Max and More – Ask a Cycling Coach 313") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPBFmrFQ0Js) * * * #### TrainerRoad Podcast Network [Submit your Question to the Ask a Cycling Coach Podcast](https://www.trainerroad.com/podcast) [Subscribe to the Ask a Cycling Coach Podcast](https://www.trainerroad.com/podcast) [Subscribe to the Successful Athletes Podcast](https://www.trainerroad.com/successful-athletes-podcast) [Submit your story to the Successful Athletes Podcast](https://www.trainerroad.com/successful-athletes-podcast) [Subscribe to the Science of Getting Faster Podcast](https://www.trainerroad.com/sogf) [Submit a topic to the Science of Getting Faster Podcast](https://www.trainerroad.com/sogf) ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jonathan/32/15_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 2:33pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/2 "2021-06-17T14:33:27Z")
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**Author:** ![BCrossen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bcrossen/32/16261_2.png) [@BCrossen](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/BCrossen)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/3 "2021-06-17T16:17:03Z")
So sorry to hear about your losses, @chad. Happy to hear that you got the time you needed for all you were going through. To know how TR treated you when you needed support and time like that speaks volumes about company culture. I’m so envious of that atmosphere. In any case, happy to see you in good spirits despite it all and to see you making a return to the podcast on your terms. We missed you a lot, Chad, and I hope that has been evident in the live chat on Youtube today. ---
**Author:** ![James](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/james/32/12908_2.png) [@James](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/James)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:01pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/4 "2021-06-17T18:01:59Z")
Great dive on the men’s side of Legion. It would be great to hear thoughts on how the women’s field competes with the team developing on that side. Skylar and Kendall were dominate as well during the weekend (Kendall getting 3rd on night one after that leadout is still one of the craziest highlights of the weekend for me), but in a very different fashion (smaller team, more limited leadoffs). How do the variances in the women’s field and the team sizes there change the approach competitors take to win going forward? ---
**Author:** ![G650](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/g650/32/3746_2.png) [@G650](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/G650)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:09pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/5 "2021-06-17T18:09:37Z")
Man @chad so sorry to hear about your loss. Glad that you had the time to step back and deal with what is a huge emotional burden. ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/6 "2021-06-17T18:22:31Z")
So sorry for your losses, Chad. Know that we care about you and hope the best for you and your family. We all missed you and are happy to see you here again. ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/8 "2021-06-17T20:06:56Z")
I had a good giggle with Nate’s slip of the lips on the upcoming feature. So funny to see Jon and Amber yank the reins quick and hard to shut him down 😛 I love Nate’s enthusiasm on the tool and think the Alternates is really an awesome addition to the greater picture 😃 ---
**Author:** ![maletero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/maletero/32/59551_2.png) [@maletero](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/maletero)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 9:02pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/9 "2021-06-17T21:02:37Z")
I’m on the iOS beta and I _think_ this feature was in the latest update? Under variants I see what I think Nate was talking about. Maybe I’ll have to go back and listen. Whether it was what Nate let slip or the actual feature they were trying to promote, it’s a really nice addition. Also, it is very nice to see the whole gang back together on the podcast. Hopefully it means that everybody is healthy and (reasonably) happy. ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 9:04pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/10 "2021-06-17T21:04:02Z")
Yes, Alternates for Duration (length of workout) are in the new release. One other aspect he touched on is apparently not in the new release. ---
**Author:** ![maletero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/maletero/32/59551_2.png) [@maletero](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/maletero)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 9:08pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/11 "2021-06-17T21:08:49Z")
I’m seeing variants for time and levels/difficulty. I thought that’s what he was talking about. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/0/8/084c71a7366f1336d6fb1d74aebba6b3c5598fdd.jpeg) I’ll have to go back and listen again. And then keep my mouth shut in case I got put on the super-beta iOS app to make up for the fact I still don’t have AT. ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 9:12pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/12 "2021-06-17T21:12:55Z")
LOL, it got a bit fuzzy for me too. I slipped and mentioned this basic function a while ago when I thought it was widely available, but was only open to AT Beta testers. This new step seems to open at least part of it to other users. ---
**Author:** ![maletero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/maletero/32/59551_2.png) [@maletero](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/maletero)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 9:14pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/13 "2021-06-17T21:14:14Z")
Whatever the reason, I’m stoked. I’ve been adjusting time _and_ duration sometimes by going through the workout filters. But to have it right there is 💯 ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jonathan/32/15_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 9:14pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/14 "2021-06-17T21:14:53Z")
The feature you are showing there is the Duration functionality of Workout Alternates. What Nate let slip was an additional level of filtering that will allow you to not only select the desired duration, but also whether you want the alternate workout to be easier or harder. That’s in the works now, but not yet released 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![maletero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/maletero/32/59551_2.png) [@maletero](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/maletero)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 9:17pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/15 "2021-06-17T21:17:46Z")
OK, so now I can go fiddle with time and the level, but the next step is to have AT recommend one that would be productive if I’m feeling a bit better/worse than what’s on the calendar? You probably already know this, but that’s a pretty cool feature. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jonathan/32/15_2.png) [@Jonathan](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Jonathan)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 9:18pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/16 "2021-06-17T21:18:06Z")
Yep! ---
**Author:** ![killroy123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/killroy123/32/88621_2.png) [@killroy123](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/killroy123)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 10:11pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/17 "2021-06-17T22:11:56Z")
Sorry for your loss Chad. My condolences Happy to have you back. Wishing you nothing but the best. ---
**Author:** ![Bullseye](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bullseye/32/135495_2.png) [@Bullseye](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Bullseye)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 9:01am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/18 "2021-06-18T09:01:08Z")
When I heard what you’d been going through Chad, I literally froze - got the chills and goose bumps. When I get this, I feel it’s symbolic of sending warmth to someone I care about. Hope you’re feeling the compassion coming your way buddy… ---
**Author:** ![Crownan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/crownan/32/103116_2.png) [@Crownan](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Crownan)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 9:19am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/19 "2021-06-18T09:19:44Z")
Well said. I welled up, which is ridiculous, a dude I don’t know, on the other side of the world. You’ve been missed massively Chad, so glad you’re back, hope you’re bearing up ok. P.S. you look well! ---
**Author:** ![PhilSJones](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/philsjones/32/5495_2.png) [@PhilSJones](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/PhilSJones)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 9:57am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/20 "2021-06-18T09:57:37Z")
Delighted to see you back Chad. Really sorry to hear what you have been going through. I was worried about you and have missed you. Good to know you were able to get some space and time. Take care buddy. Life is frustratingly random at times. ---
**Author:** ![PhilSJones](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/philsjones/32/5495_2.png) [@PhilSJones](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/PhilSJones)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 10:05am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951/21 "2021-06-18T10:05:10Z")
@Jonathan The Vo2 max and FTP question: Three things 1. Podcast timing: On the podcast the question is timed for 1:25, but actually starts at 1:13:30 which is 2/3 of the way through the previous question. It finishes around 1:25. 2. Chad mentioned that typically a) FTP is 80% of VO2 Max, so that suggests that VO2 max is 25% more than FTP. … or is that supposed to be 20% more than FTP? b) … because in the example, Chad stated that 300W FTP, would be 375W VO2 5 mins efforts (25% more), then corrected it to 360W, which would be 20% more. I realise this is all a little “athlete specific”, but what is the most reliable percentage increase FROM FTP TO VO2 Max? PS I am trying to do workouts both 120% and 125% of FTP to raise my roof and ceiling 🙂 1. Which is the other podcast that Chad mentions at the start which refers in depth to fractional ulitisation. Thanks [Next page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/heart-rate-deep-dive-tulsa-tough-vo2max-and-ftp-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-313/59951.md?page=2)