# Hate FTP testing **URL:** \ **Category:** Training\ **Tags:** ftp-testing\ **Created:** [January 31, 2022, 12:29pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608 "2022-01-31T12:29:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![urnowsmoking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/6bbea6/32.png) [@urnowsmoking](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/urnowsmoking)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 12:29pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/1 "2022-01-31T12:29:20Z")
As i enter a rest week I look with dread that next Tuesday is another ramp test. When I first started training I loved doing all types of FTP testing. Now I just freaking hate them. I hate it more since I recently had shoulder surgery (on both shoulders back to back) and recovery is slow and numbers are low ( try biking from a primarily upright position while really not using the handlebars sometime ) Thus I am just going to bump up my FTP by five percent which I think is manageable. My question is will adaptive training adjust correctly with me not taking a test ! I am so looking forward to FTP estimation!! Also hope that TR and Zwift merge and all the happiness in the world for Nate and the TR crew ---
**Author:** ![RecoveryRide](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/recoveryride/32/53516_2.png) [@RecoveryRide](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/RecoveryRide)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/2 "2022-01-31T15:10:40Z")
I’ve always said, if you think life is passing you by, and time is moving too fast, take an FTP test, ideally a full hour one, and you will experience the sensation of time apparently standing still 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![RobtL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/robtl/32/12895_2.png) [@RobtL](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/RobtL)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 3:15pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/3 "2022-01-31T15:15:21Z")
🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Lydiagould](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/lydiagould/32/12893_2.png) [@Lydiagould](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Lydiagould)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/4 "2022-01-31T15:41:22Z")
Ha ha, I don.t know if you race, but I must admit I don’t mind the ramp test. I treat it like a cyclo X race. Get up , prepare in the same way. Strong coffee, Torq energy 500ml bottle mixed , do warm up, take Torq gel, then start the test. The less time I have to think ,the better. The end part is horrid, but no worse than a cyclo X race. A cyclo x race is like doing 6 or more end parts 🤣 🤣 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![markirwin1988](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@markirwin1988](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/markirwin1988)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/5 "2022-01-31T16:42:48Z")
I actually used to HATE the 20 minute FTP test. It is just a slog (indoors anyway). The ramp test I find very exciting for some reason. Think its the whole idea of holding on as long as you can in 1 minute stages. It reminds me very much of the ‘bleep’ test at school. ---
**Author:** ![mmiloou2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mmiloou2/32/88803_2.png) [@mmiloou2](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mmiloou2)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/6 "2022-01-31T16:55:06Z")
“Recovery is slow and numbers are low”… I don’t like it. Who is going to tell him? ---
**Author:** ![urnowsmoking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/6bbea6/32.png) [@urnowsmoking](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/urnowsmoking)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/7 "2022-01-31T16:55:42Z")
I really did used to like the ramp test version but since injury it is pure torture (although undoubtedly better in the long run). I used to love the beep test back in the day though! ---
**Author:** ![urnowsmoking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/6bbea6/32.png) [@urnowsmoking](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/urnowsmoking)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/8 "2022-01-31T16:57:11Z")
numbers will get better as I heal (I hope lol) and am able to actually use the handlebars more ---
**Author:** ![KevinKlaes](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/kevinklaes/32/85262_2.png) [@KevinKlaes](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/KevinKlaes)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/9 "2022-01-31T17:37:12Z")
If you manually adjust your FTP, the Progression Levels will adjust and you will likely get an adaptation set for a training plan depending on how much you adjusted the FTP by. Source: I do this and that has been my experience. ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/10 "2022-01-31T17:40:14Z")
Yup, FTP change from any trigger (completed and accepted FTP in a test, or manual adjustment) can lead to PL reduction. We don’t know all the rules or amounts, but it is a common trigger. ---
**Author:** ![markirwin1988](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@markirwin1988](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/markirwin1988)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:43pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/11 "2022-01-31T17:43:36Z")
Yeah @urnowsmoking, the bleep test was awesome! Wish I could do it again 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![mulvers](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mulvers/32/154411_2.png) [@mulvers](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mulvers)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:50pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/12 "2022-01-31T17:50:35Z")
Best thing I ever did was start AT and stop thinking I ‘know’ what my FTP is! Used to hate the ramp test and rarely did it. Now do every ramp test and look forward to them, to see how much progress the previous block achieved. Failed workouts are now a thing of the past (so far). ---
**Author:** ![RecoveryRide](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/recoveryride/32/53516_2.png) [@RecoveryRide](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/RecoveryRide)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 10:07pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/13 "2022-01-31T22:07:44Z")
It’s easy to find the program online… just sayin’ 🤣 😬 ---
**Author:** ![mackdhagen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mackdhagen/32/28733_2.png) [@mackdhagen](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mackdhagen)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 10:28pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/14 "2022-01-31T22:28:29Z")
I don’t like them that much as well but do find the more you do them the easier mentally and physically they get. If i wait too long to do them they become mentally harder where as at least every 6 weeks its not that bad. The earlier poster that compares them to a CX race is a good analogy (B-race-local-mid season.) Its still a race so you have to take it semi seriously but no real need to taper, its short and hard enough that you feel a little satisfaction afterward. The AT thing will be cool but there is going to be a lot of people that have a banner effort in a race, group ride or just an exceptional day, agree to “up” their FTP then realize what Baxter feels like for a real 350 watt FTP. ---
**Author:** ![J\_K](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/j_k/32/12451_2.png) [@J\_K](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/J_K)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 11:23pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/15 "2022-01-31T23:23:09Z")
> [@mcneese.chad](#): > > Yup, FTP change from any trigger (completed and accepted FTP in a test, or manual adjustment) can lead to PL reduction. We don’t know all the rules or amounts, but it is a common trigger. Will an FTP decrease have an equal / opposite affect on PL? I.e. If I decrease my FTP by 5W, will my PL’s increase? ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 11:29pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/16 "2022-01-31T23:29:16Z")
> [@J\_K](#): > > Will an FTP decrease have an equal / opposite affect on PL? - I don’t think we have a firm answer to that question, unfortunately. - But I can’t say I have ever heard of an _increase_ in PL after an FTP change in any direction. ---
**Author:** ![urnowsmoking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/6bbea6/32.png) [@urnowsmoking](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/urnowsmoking)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 1:10pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/17 "2022-02-09T13:10:17Z")
So I bumped up my FTP by ten percent and tr moved my ramp test from Tuesday to Wednesday and asked if I wanted to adaptations. I declined as I don’t want to do the stupid test but now am worried that all my future workouts are screwed up? ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 1:21pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/18 "2022-02-09T13:21:01Z")
I’d email [support@trainerroad.com](mailto:support@trainerroad.com) for a review. ---
**Author:** ![rocourteau](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/rocourteau/32/7746_2.png) [@rocourteau](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/rocourteau)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/hate-ftp-testing/68608/20 "2022-02-09T16:13:03Z")
Just delete the test from your schedule. Take the workout from the following Tuesday, and copy it to the day where the ramp test was. Rather than using a (random?) 5% bump, base yourself on your last few threshold workouts - could you have increased the power a bit? Were you right on the edge? I regularly do that. AT does not seem to mind.