One interesting thing about this plan is that my macros end up resembling The Zone Diet (anyone remember that one).
I tried the Zone Diet in the 1990s and had some of my best ever cycling performances. I was too dumb then to relate those performance directly to the diet. And then I only lasted 2 or 3 weeks on the diet. And maybe it was just a coincidence.
The Zone Diet was a macro formula of 1/3 each of protein, fat and carbs. Dr. Kyle’s and Don Layman’s diets end up being pretty much the same.
Since this was the 90s, counting macros was by pencil and paper and using charts in a book. No apps or even a web page to keep track of stuff. Thus, I couldn’t maintain it. Plus is was sold with maintaining strict adherence to the plan. Plus, it didn’t compensate for increased athletic activity. On the Dr. Kyle plan, protein and fat stay static and carbs increase based on workload.
The people that know this and are targeting this are probably taking in more than Pfaffenbach is even suggesting.
Better question, what is the problem with targeting more protein during a weight loss phase that most people are going to not want to lose muscle mass in?
This thread is about what Pfaffenbach suggested and people who are working off his suggestions. One of the few things he has said every time he was in the podcast was slowly lower your protein and fat intake as you lose weight and don’t use your goal weight for calculations, slowly lower it. It’s like 99% of this “method”.
Oh 3 protein finds recently if people are looking.
2 from Costco, the appropriately name protein pretzels. They taste like something I can’t place it, not a good pretzel but not a bad snack. 28g of protein i think?
The other is some sort of lactose free yogurt smoothie, think chobani brand. Did not buy but saw they were 19 or 20g on the box.
The other my partner had out this morning a progresso soup bean and pasta maybe also 19 or 20g.
You could make a meal of that and have half your protein for the day.
Those Progresso bean soups are a great emergency backup to keep around. There’s a chickpea one that I really like. Lots of protein and fiber and it’s pretty filling too. 7g Fiber, 17g Protein, and 50g carbs in a can.
I think this episode from the roadman podcast is worth a listen for those who didn’t quite follow what Dr. P barely touched on regarding fueling prior to and during rides and when to eat less. He said it so briefly during the podcast but basically said eat two good meals prior to the a longer or harder effort and then fuel during the event but that the carbs don’t need to be refueled after… if there’s a rest day next there’s no need to “refuel” as long as you ate well prior. On a rest day, there should be a focus on fueling for the next day if that’s a hard day.
In this podcast they suggest actually tracking calories from post ride to post ride the next day, rather than midnight to midnight.
In the TR podcast, regarding the listener question that was asked, I am surprised that they didn’t directly suggest (or if they did it was buried in the rest of the convo) that the most likely reason for a new rider’s weight increase is that they are simply eating more because they’re thinking “i want to lose weight so I’m going to eat less before and during a ride” and then … “I worked hard - I need to refuel after" and completely overdoing it bc they’re famished and feeling like they can eat whatever since they did a workout .. when apparently what we should be doing is fueling reasonably before and during and then eating normally after.
In other words, here in the US we should be doing the turkey trots on Friday, not Thursday.